which is why I don't like organized religion much

thank you.

But especially the Roman Catholic Church:stickpoke:comfort:J/K

I disagree. People who work in schools or with children are now required to have a criminal background and child abuse check thru their state police. People talk to their kids now, not just about 'stranger danger' but about who's allowed to touch their bodies and where and why. People ARE willing to believe this shit happens, and they are more involved with their kid's lives because of it. That's why kids are involved in so many activities these days, often with their parents involved right there with them. That's why kids have play dates instead of just roaming wild in the streets.

The foster care system? You're going to compare that to a church? Odd, but... I do see the failures of the foster care system brought to light on the news frequently, as they should be. I don't see people saying things like "I'm a good social worker" like it makes them a better person with a stronger moral compass than those they are comparing themselves to.

As a recovered Catholic I'll say that, reprehensible as it is, condoning kid boinking is among the least of the church's transgressions.

I suppose you say that for effect, but I think you should reconsider. How on earth could condoning kid boinking be low on ANY list of transgressions.

how many things are worse?

Not for effect and I will work on a short catalog of the church's major transgressions throughout history. But to whet your appetite, head on back to the inquisition or read up on the case of
Peter Stumpp:
There's plenty more where that came from, and it was all duplicity in service of cementing power under the guise holiness. The church has battled science and reason because frightened people are much easier to manipulate and control. Can you imagine what things would be like if people still believed in witches and werewolves?

it would be nice to think that the wider problem of sexual misconduct with minors is being addressed adequately in our society. Sadly, I know from personal, direct experience, it is not. Not enough, anyway.

Then there's the charming story of The Nuns of Loudun Another political power play resulting in torture, madness, death. Ken Russel's film, The Devils is based on the story.

still..... condoning pedophilia in this day and age is RIGHT THE FUCK UP THERE

OK, I get your point, cheating old ladies out of their pensions by fixing bingo games is probably among the least, and yes the pedo thing is right up there, but I think I meant among the things right up there, it's not at the top of the top, well, maybe it is really fucked up to try to compare anything in the top of the list.

The whole thing is fucked up.

gotta be in the top on anyone's list

we're here:

:: points at his forehead...then at yours, then back at his, then back at yours::




if I make a smile for this....would you vote for it?

Philadelphia.

Pedophilia.

See what I mean?

One of my heroes, Derek Jarman, was the Set Designer for that film.
When I read his biography I cry at the end. Even though I (obviously!) know how it ends.
Great talent, taken too soon.

Anyway, as you were.