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Shawnee123 09-17-2009 08:02 PM

I can't find my popcorn.

Shawnee123 09-17-2009 08:49 PM

Never mind, I found it. :corn:

SteveDallas 09-17-2009 09:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Cloud (Post 595471)
People who do not use the series comma.

I hate that, too.

monster 09-17-2009 09:52 PM

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Shawnee123 09-17-2009 10:23 PM

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Originally Posted by SteveDallas (Post 595508)
I hate that, too.

I hate it thoroughly, truly, and irrevocably.

TheMercenary 09-18-2009 03:19 AM

Frequently insomnia. Although I would never have taken the time to watch Exodus (1960) with Paul Newman and Eva Marie Saint.

Queen of the Ryche 09-18-2009 09:21 AM

How was it?

SteveDallas 09-18-2009 11:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Shawnee123 (Post 595512)
I hate it thoroughly, truly, and irrevocably.

At my last job, my boss and I had a long-running friendly feud over this. I would add commas to her docs whenever I had the chance and she'd take them off.

When I was getting ready to leave for my next job and I was writing up all the stuff I was leaving behind, it made sense to do HTML pages. I made every comma available a hyperlink to an article about the controversy.

classicman 09-18-2009 11:26 AM

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Originally Posted by SteveDallas (Post 595580)
I made every comma available a hyperlink to an article about the controversy.

That is awesome! :thumbsup:

Shawnee123 09-18-2009 11:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SteveDallas (Post 595580)
At my last job, my boss and I had a long-running friendly feud over this. I would add commas to her docs whenever I had the chance and she'd take them off.

When I was getting ready to leave for my next job and I was writing up all the stuff I was leaving behind, it made sense to do HTML pages. I made every comma available a hyperlink to an article about the controversy.

:)

Flint 09-18-2009 11:49 AM

The original purpose for punctuation was to indicate the rhythm and flow of the written word. When relating a series of items one doesn't say "item one (pause) item twoanditemthree." They say "item one (pause) item two (pause = COMMA) and item three." To not indicate as such in the written word is inexcusable. It is a discourtesy to the reader.

classicman 09-18-2009 12:41 PM

^grammarnazi^

Cloud 09-18-2009 01:10 PM

All the grammar authorities I've checked say to put them in. So why do people leave them out? Are they teaching that in schools?

SteveDallas 09-18-2009 01:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Cloud (Post 595612)
All the grammar authorities I've checked say to put them in. So why do people leave them out? Are they teaching that in schools?

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The Chicago Manual of Style, Strunk and White's Elements of Style, most authorities on American English and Canadian English, and some authorities on British English (for example, Oxford University Press and Fowler's Modern English Usage) recommend the use of the serial comma. Newspaper style guides (such as those published by The New York Times, The Los Angeles Times, the Associated Press, The Times newspaper in the United Kingdom, and the Canadian Press) recommend against it, possibly for economy of space.[18]

The differences of opinion on the use of the serial comma are well characterized by Lynne Truss in her popularized style guide Eats, Shoots & Leaves: "There are people who embrace the Oxford comma, and people who don't, and I'll just say this, never get between these people when drink has been taken."[19]

In Australia, Canada, South Africa and the United Kingdom, the serial comma tends not to be used in non-academic publications unless its absence produces ambiguity. Many academic publishers (for example, Cambridge University Press) also avoid it,[4] though some academic publishing houses in these countries do use it. The Australian Government Publishing Service's Style Manual for Authors, Editors and Printers (6th edition, 2002), as can be inferred from its title, recommends against it, except "to ensure clarity" (p. 102).

Shawnee123 09-18-2009 01:25 PM

I don't care what those "experts" think. "Authors, Editors and Printers" makes "editors and printers" a single entity, like ham and eggs. It looks stupid, it reads worse. I think someone just got tired of having to make a little comma. If they recommend to use it to "ensure clarity" then whose clarity do we speak of? You either use it, as a rule, or you don't, as a rule. If it's ever needed to ensure clarity then it must be used consistently...not at the whim of some editors, or printers, or editors and printers, or authors and editors...;)


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