You came on here like a bitch on wheels, you get what you deserved. I have no reservations. Take it like a big girl and move on.

You know what I think is the saddest thing of all?

12 months from now we're going to be having the same arguments for the anniversary of the event.

Can't wait! :rolleyes:

Hey, at least I got a promotion. I'm not just a bitch anymore, I'm a bitch on wheels! Woo Hoo!

Osama can't be dead. I haven't seen the pictures yet.

So Jill doesn't have the right to voice her opinions because she isn't a regular? So you call her inane, childish and hateful names instead of trying to have a reasonable conversation? Yeah, you completely believe in this country's ideals....free speech and all that. :rolleyes:

Jill, keep doing what you're doing hon.

Jill, when he starts with the name calling and cussing its because he's cornered and knows it. His game is weak and always has been. Like mtp says, just keep doing what you're doing.

jill is DA MAN. Well, da woman. :)

Giving Merc just enough rope to hang himself with. Jill can hold her own.

It's unfortunate, though, that the Cellar seems unable to hold an intelligent discussion in politics.

It's not 'the Cellar.'

It's the same character over and over. Someone tries, gets shot down, by being treated like a mongrel dog.

I was dismayed at all the "will you two quit bickering" crap when it's just a repeated pattern and the same player shitting all over the place. jill didn't come out bickering. She came out thoughtful and well read and capable.

Even UG doesn't resort to the kind of crap that transpired here yesterday. His "im, you are ignorant" isn't all that bothersome. We consider the source. We even giggle. He cites. We disagree. It's not harmful.

I'm sorry. I had given up my quest to engage in this crap. I didn't want to be an instigator or supporter of it at all anymore. But it's ridiculous.

Sure, he hangs himself. Every time. But treating humans with differing viewpoints (and in many cases actual cites that illustrate and illuminate) the way he does? It's wrong. And it's why there will never be productive or respectful discourse in politics on the Cellar.

Pop-ins to tell someone how wonderful they are, and repeated reminding of manliness by pointing out which women one would like to scrog, do not negate the sheer hatefulness that transpires.

Flame me. I expect it.

I agree with this. This is not a 'six of one, half a dozen of the other' argument. Both parties were not equally flinging shit at the other. One was attempting to have a political discussion the other was being an utter cock for no apparent reason and after little if any genuine provocation. Neither were bickering. One was arguing the other was having a public meltdown.

Oh please - I was trying to deflect the issue with a joke.
So IM and Dana - you are taking shots at me over this? WTF?
Puhlease. You wanna bitch at Merc for being an asshole last night
or every night or whatever your opinion is - do it.
But leave me and my one offhand comment out of it?

I taught my children that the participant in an argument who resorts to name-calling, personal attacks, and ad hominem arguments (and/or a raised voice) is the person arguing the weakest point. With solid, unimpeachable data to back a position up, there is no need to sink to mud-slinging to (try to) win an argument.

Shutting down/silencing the opposition, or attempting to, does not eliminate their standpoint or any validity of same.

I wasn't even considering YOU. I heard that comment from Ali. You may have said it too, but I wasn't 'taking a shot at' you because I was replying to what I read as a generalized consensus.

What are you talking about?

Is it Deep End week or what? Can we get Shark Week back?

Sigh...

I wasn't aiming anything at you Dave. I was just commenting on the fact that in this case it isn't a case of bickering. I didn't even have anyone in mind who'd said that, except possibly Aliantha (though i did not mean it in a nasty way Ali) who attempted to peacemake by aiming her mock reprimand at both participants.

Did someone finally ask, "When are we going to go after bin Laden?" I was beginning to wonder if anyone would.