thats all I see when I read all this Bickering back and forth

I don't care about that, it was still funny. :D

Change! Yes We Can... ok, well maybe not.

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?p...d=a3YMkstD3JzA

Whats your point there Merc? It seems like he is being up front about the situation. I for one, think thats refreshing.

Well I guess it is just as I said all along during the election. That when you talked with his most ardent supporters they would give you a long list of all these great things that he was promising the electorate. Most of us realize that many of the promises were nothing more than empty pandering to get votes, even if they had merit, it was obvious there was no way he could do everything he was telling people he could. And most of us know that it is how the game is played in this day and age. But many people are not informed as well as the members of The Cellar. It is just such a fimilar circle of our election cycle. Listen to the most recent comments coming from the Obama camp and many things are being taken off the table and even tax cuts are being offered up, a poison of the democratic platform. I just find it all so ironic.

And this was an interesting report as well:

Obama climate czar has socialist ties
Group sees 'global governance' as solution
Stephen Dinan

Until last week, Carol M. Browner, President-elect Barack Obama's pick as global warming czar, was listed as one of 14 leaders of a socialist group's Commission for a Sustainable World Society, which calls for "global governance" and says rich countries must shrink their economies to address climate change.

By Thursday, Mrs. Browner's name and biography had been removed from Socialist International's Web page, though a photo of her speaking June 30 to the group's congress in Greece was still available.

Socialist International, an umbrella group for many of the world's social democratic political parties such as Britain's Labor Party, says it supports socialism and is harshly critical of U.S. policies.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/...ocialist-ties/

Quick, hide! There's a red under your bed!

D or R - fixed that for ya.

Better dead than red! :D

or something like that they said during the McCarthy years.

Yea, that is why I said it was a familar fixture of our election cycles.

Then why was it ironic? It's more like business as usual, isn't it?

I was thinking about the overwhelming support for "Change, Yes We Can." when in fact there may be little change after all. Can't close Gitmo, Health Care (a big one) way on the back burner, raise taxes, etc. Just about everything that stood out on his platform in a big way. There were so many promises anyone should have seen it was all talk. But hey, he is not there yet so who knows. I am going to give him the benifit of the doubt.

Well maybe if things weren't so fucked up right now that wouldn't be the case - just maybe. We got a lot of cleaning up to do before we go forward with anything, don't you think?

Absolutely. I don't think anyone could have seen how bad things were going to be economically. I'm just afraid that the recovery will be so long we may never find out if anything could have been done or not.

George Stephanopoulos asked him this same question. As I remember it, "What parts of your campaign promises will you not keep" as if it is a given that some campaign pledges will be ignored. Obama, gave an answer that was not worth remembering.

Every presidential candidate promises change. Even Humphrey did it which Lyndon Johnson did not appreciate.

How much have things changed? Overall consensus in the American Economics Association in San Francisco, even from those who normally oppose government intervention, is that government fiscal policies must be aggressive even though some also acknowledge that quantitative proof that such policies work is almost non-existent.

A benchmark paper for the conference based upon 14 previous severe recessions including the last big five (Norway, Finland, Japan, and Sweden) suggest a GDP drop of 9% which takes two years to reach bottom. Unemployment averages 7% and keeps dropping for five years. Housing prices take five years to drop 36%. Government debt rises 86%. Scary part is that America has already surpassed some of these averaging numbers. However statistical variations for 'average' GDP and unemployment numbers are large.