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trupiks2 10-31-2008 04:02 PM

Baltimore @ Cleveland -2.5
The Browns are finally healthy and you are not going to see the ravens do what they did to them earlier this year. Flacco and this offence isnt anything special and Clevelands d is a very good one. baltimore doesnt score more than 10 and the Browns win this one in Cleveland, as they will win this division this year, 24-10.
One of the best bets of the week. Take the Browns

Arizona -3.5 @ St. Louis
With Kurt Warner leading this team i can see the Cards go real far in the playoffs or even to the Super Bowl. If this defence can stay healthy they are a well rounded team. i cant see the Rams doing anything in this with S. Jackson hurt even if he does play. The Rams also have a few starters banged up on their d. The Rams fans will se a great show on turf but not by their team.
Best bet of the week. Take the Cards

Miami @ Denver -4.5
I know the Bronco d has been playing poorly but on paper they're pretty good. Like the Colts D they cant play well when behind and this week they wont be. With Young, Scheffler and Stokley returning Jays gonna look like he did earlier this season. At Mile High, off the bye week with coach Shanahan Denver wins big. 41-24.
Take Denver

Dallas @ NYG -8.5
The Cowboys are banged up but they have alot of depth and in an important divisional match-up like this one this game is gonna be close. Brad has had a couple of weeks to get into a groove and he will put outagood outing in this one. Elis gonna see the most pressure hes seen all year. Dallas will send the blitz for their secondary is banged up. This game will be decided by a fg.
Take the Cowboys

NE @ Indy -5.5
Peyton knows this defence very well and with them aging and being less talented and not having Rodney, Peyton will have a Peyton kinda day. Also the fact that Sanders and Addai should be back for this one the Colts are going to go through teams from here on out. You didnt think the Colts with Peyton Manning still playing werent going to make the playoffs, did you? With the Pats backfield banged up their not gonna run well, (add to the fact that manning will have the colts up early) they will have to rely on Cassel to throw the ball and that front four of the Colts will be putting pressure on all day.
Take the Colts

Pit -1.5 @ Was
This will be a close game as both teams will struggle to put up points. But with the Steelers most likely to make more mistakes will cost them the game. i cant see them running the ball. Ben might make a few plays but nothing big. they might contain Portis to maybe 80-90 yards on 25-30 carries but with Jason managing the game better than anyone this year and making plays when they ask him to Washington wins this one 19-13.
Easy pick. Take the Skins

Other games to take into consideration.

NYJ @ Buf -5.5
this will be a high scoring affair where i believe the Bills prevail. The bills d will slow Favre more times than the Jets will Edwards. Bills win 44-34.
Take the Bills

Atlanta -3.5 @ Oakland
The both teams will find success running the ball. it comes down to which young qb will play better than the other one. I think J. Russell will win the battle at home as the Raiders grab their 3rd win of the year.
Take the Raiders

W.HI.P 10-31-2008 09:25 PM

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detroit red wings 4.50
the team does have some problems in the front and in the back.
changes that were made don't look like a good idea, so there will be transitions within that will hold detroit back from running away with their division.
i highly doubt that detroit can repeat.

bad bet

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san jose sharks 6.00

in my eyes, this team is the top contender for the stanley cup.
this team will at least be competing in the western conference final.

good bet.

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montreal canadiens 8.00

this team will not be going away any time soon.
as a franchise it is being run perfectly.
the speed and depth of this team makes them a contender in the eastern conference.
the only team in their division that looks competitive or remotely capable is the boston bruins.

good bet

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pittsburgh penguins 10.00


gonchar imo, along with whitney, we're the main reason why the penguins found success last year.
they are both out for plenty of months.
ty is gone as well, leaving the penguins weak.

bad bet

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ny rangers 11.00

my friend called the rangers last year, and i couldn't quite see how it could happen.
they kinda look good this year, but still, i can't see this defence holding up despite the swede in net.

bad bet

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anaheim ducks 13.00

pronger is the best defencive school in the game.
the team remains elite, tough conference though.

good bet

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washington capitols 17.00

this team is full of stars
semin and green accompany the greatest forward in the game.
solid goaltending make this team a top contender in the eastern conference.

good bet

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minnesota wild 17.00

no no no, this team is not ready to compete.
too weak in too many places.
gaborik is the best winger in the game, but the team cannot compete with the other elite teams competing in the western conference.

bad bet

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calgary flames 17.00

very impressive names in the line-up, but don't let that fool you.
the rest of the lines remain weak.

bad bet

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buffalo sabres 17.00

how could anyone contemplate that this team can compete for anything this year. the play-offs are far fetched.

bad bet

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there are 4 more good bets and high prices and tell you why after the weekend when i'll have more free time to continue this.

W.HI.P 11-02-2008 01:13 AM

Adding the Raiders +3.5 over the Falcons, lets take a closer look at how one would wager on these games.
1)Redskins +1.5 (Base)
2)Bills -5.5
3)Packers +6.5
4)Dolphins +4.5
5)Raiders +3.5

123
124
125
134
135
145

$350 x 6 bets = $2.100

The base and 2 wins will pay you $2.450
The base and 3 wins will pay you $7.350
The base and 4 wins will pay you $14.700

lumberjim 11-02-2008 07:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lumberjim (Post 499032)
our pool at work requires 6 games picked. for a 5 point bet, this week the pot is appx 2200 pts. there was no winner last week, so it rolled over.

i won once this year on a week where 9 other people hit it too.....so i netted out 80 points because i had split the card with a sales mangler here.....( i dont usually play these) so, since i'm playing with the house's points.....here are my 6 this week:

Cheifs plus 7 at home vs the Bucs bucs 30, chiefs 27 win

Cardinals giving 3 visiting the Rams 34-14 cards win

Lions getting 13 at the Bears 27-23 barrrs win

Packers getting 7 at the Titans 19-16 titans win

Broncos giving 3 at home vs the Dolphins 26-17 miami loss

Raiders plus 3 hosting the Falcons ooof....24-zip hotlanta loss

the first 4 games were all 1 pm games. it was looking good.....and then ....the 4pm games were very discourteous to me. i missed them by a lot!

cock.

W.HI.P 11-06-2008 08:24 AM

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clevland browns[-3.0] vs denver broncos

you'd have to be crazy not to bet on this game.
the clevland browns are finally starting brady quinn today.
he's up against one very weak broncos defence which will be missing their greatest asset, mr. champ bailey.
if that isn't enough, the broncos attack will be one dimensional as their top 2 running backs will both be on the sideline.
this'll be a double digit win for the browns who have no other possible motives in sight given the fact that they've traded away their top picks for this upcoming draft.

bet on the clevland browns

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W.HI.P 11-07-2008 09:04 PM

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chicago bears vs tenessee titans[-3.5]

you need to take a reality check on the titans defence.
its really not that good.
as this years goes on, the numbers will start looking more realistic.
the bears defence on the other hand remains number 1 in the league.
the bears offence isn't as bad as it has been in the past.
the bears, based on the fact that are few teams in the nfc that are play-off material, have a chance to go pretty far this year.
easy win for chicago.

bet on the chicago bears

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new england patriots[-4.5] vs buffalo bills

there is no comparing these teams.
buffalo will get the easy win to take control of this division.

bet on the buffalo bills

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pittsburgh steelers[-3.5] vs indianapolis colts

the colts are still in there despite looking kinda weak this season.
i can't see how this steelers team can be a threat here.

bet on the indianapolis colts

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philadelphia eagles[-1.5] vs new york giants

this should be a very close game, as both defence's should dominate.
low scoring game... the eagles at home have the edge with their missing pieces healthy again.
can you believe it....its november and donovan is still playing

bet on the philadelphia eagles

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arizona cardinals[10.5] vs san fransisco 49ers


ok, i've bet on both these teams winning their division at high prices....but now the media's being retarded as calling these cardinals superbowl bound [a week before their monday night game]
...take a friggin reality check, the team is weak.
the only reason they have a chance at making the playoffs is cause of the weak division.
don't buy this hype, not much seperates these teams ....next year, the 49ers will have surpassed this arizona team.

bet on the san fransisco 49ers

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here is a defencive way to gamble on these games

we'll list them by number to make it easier to understand for starters.

1]bears
2]bills
3]colts
4]eagles
5]49ers

123
124
125
134
135
145
234
235
245
345

$200 a bet x 10 bets = $2.000

3 wins will pay you $1.400
4 wins will pay you $5.600
5 wins will pay you $14.000

another way to wager here, is to take a base

123
124
125
134
135
145

$350 a bet x 6 bets = $2.100

the base and 2 wins will pay you $2.450
the base and 3 wins will pay you $7.350
the base and 4 wins will pay you $14.700

another way to bet on these games is with 2 bases

123
124
125

$700 a bet x 3 bets = $2.100

the bases and 1 win will pay you $4.900
the bases and 2 wins will pay you $9.800
the bases and 3 wins will pay you $14.700

W.HI.P 11-14-2008 11:54 AM

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Green Bay Packers(-3.5) vs Chicago Bears

this division should see the bears and the vikings fighting it out till the end.
the packers don't seem capable.
after this loss, they'll be 2 games back.

Bet on the Chicago Bears

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Jacksonville Jaguars vs Tennessee Titans(-4.5)


this titans team will not be there at the end of the season, so you better jump off the wagon early cause you'll be looking stupid come play-off time along with the masses.
the jaguars are simply superior and will win.

Bet on the Jacksonville Jaguars

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Pittsburgh Steelers(-6.5) vs San Diego Chargers

if you take a closer look into the chargers division, you'll see that the chargers are already in the play-offs, and will be contenders despite their weak preformances so far this season.

Bet on the San Diego Chargers

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Washington Redskins vs Dallas Cowboys(-2.5)

with romo, without portis... the redskins are still superior and will win.


Bet on the Washington Redskins


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these are the games i'll be wagering on this week, and this is exactly how i'll be betting on them..........

bears/jaguars/chargers
bears/jaguars/redskins
bears/chargers/redskins
jaguars/chargers/redskins

$1000 a bet x 4 bets = $4.000

3 wins will pay $7.000
4 wins will pay $28.000

lumberjim 11-14-2008 12:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by W.HI.P (Post 504260)
Washington Redskins vs Dallas Cowboys(-2.5)

with romo, without portis... the redskins are still superior and will win.


Bet on the Washington Redskins

they are home dogs for a reason. i like the cowboys -10 in this game.

W.HI.P 11-19-2008 11:47 AM

oklahoma [-6.5] vs texas tech

i like some of texas tech's players, but they'll have a tough task stopping this amazing oklahoma offence.
i see a blow-out.

bet on oklahoma

W.HI.P 11-19-2008 12:04 PM

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Miami Dolphins(-1.5) vs New England Patriots

i don't think anyone can compare these two teams.
new england's defence demostrated how poor it was last week.
bill has taken miami to the next level as expected.

Bet on the Miami Dolphins

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Seattle Seahawks vs Washington Redskins(-3.5)

Bet on the Washington Redskins


even with the redskins relaxing this week, they'll cover this spread.

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Arizona Cardinals vs New York Giants(-3.5)


the cardinals have been throwing the ball all year.
the giants love to play against one dimensional passing teams.
easy win.

Bet on the New York Giants

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San Diego Chargers(-2.5) vs Indianapolis Colts


last chance for the chargers here.
they are capable, and should win.

Bet on the San Diego Chargers

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New Orlean Saints(-2.5) vs Green Bay Packers

wether you can see it or not, wether you like it or not, the packers season is over.


Bet on the New Orlean Saints


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W.HI.P 11-26-2008 02:09 PM

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Detroit Lions vs Tennessee Titans(-11.5)


the masses need to get off this titans band-wagon.
tennessee has a mediocre defence and a mediocre offence.
the titans are a mediocre team.

Bet on the Detroit Lions

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Dallas Cowboys(-13.5) vs Seattle Seahawks


i was the first to knock the seahawks when they showed up as the favorites to win the division.
i was also the first to glorify romo before anyone knew who he was.
however here, the cowboys defence is under par, and seattle isn't quite as bad as they seem.
this will be a close game

Bet on the Seattle Seahawks

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Philadelphia Eagles(-3.0) vs Arizona Cardinals


the cardinals will play one dimensional offence tommorow.
they may score, but they will not be able to stop the eagles offence.
easy win the eagles.

Bet on the Philadelphis Eagles

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lumberjim 11-26-2008 02:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by W.HI.P (Post 508539)

Dallas Cowboys(-13.5) vs Seattle Seahawks


i was the first to knock the seahawks when they showed up as the favorites to win the division.
i was also the first to glorify romo before anyone knew who he was.
however here, the cowboys defence is under par, and seattle isn't quite as bad as they seem.
this will be a close game

dude. you are such a hater. If you want people to respect your opinion, you should at leastresearch your claims.

the cowboys' defenCe is ranked 8th of 32 teams. sub par would be 17th or worse.

and I'd like to see where you ever glorified Romo.

all that said, I agree. 13.5 is too much. my prediction is dallas 27, seattle 17

W.HI.P 11-26-2008 02:43 PM

lj lj lj, stats are a very small factor in looking at a defence.
if it was at the end of the season and all teams faced all teams once or twice, then, you could almost determine the rankings off the stats.
but thats not the case in the nfl.

in regards to you calling me a cowboys hater ....you're wrong, i've called the cowboys wins as much as their losses.

when i glorified romo was before he played his first game for the cowboys.
you don't need to look to far, its all in this thread.

you need to start facing reality lj ...your team sucks

W.HI.P 11-26-2008 02:48 PM

lj, why don't you do a little research before making silly posts.
if you were to wager a dollar on each of my reco's regarding the cowboys since the start of this thread, you would be in the profit zone.
maybe you could do a little more research and see that the cowboys have lost more games against the spread this year than won...meaing that its wiser to bet against the cowboys this season than to bet on them.
this is a betting thread ...no hate here, just reality.

lumberjim 11-26-2008 03:02 PM

i was merely refuting your statement that the defence was sub par. bet on theeeeese

W.HI.P 11-27-2008 05:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lumberjim (Post 508559)
i was merely refuting your statement that the defence was sub par. bet on theeeeese

Dude, the cowboys are ranked 20th in points allowed this season.... i would call that far under par for a team thats supposed to be competing for the superbowl.
when was the last time a team with such a bad defence even made it to the superbowl?
lj, i'm just tryna help you save face for a second year in a row.

W.HI.P 11-27-2008 09:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by W.HI.P (Post 499810)
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detroit red wings 4.50
the team does have some problems in the front and in the back.
changes that were made don't look like a good idea, so there will be transitions within that will hold detroit back from running away with their division.
i highly doubt that detroit can repeat.

bad bet

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san jose sharks 6.00

in my eyes, this team is the top contender for the stanley cup.
this team will at least be competing in the western conference final.

good bet.

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montreal canadiens 8.00

this team will not be going away any time soon.
as a franchise it is being run perfectly.
the speed and depth of this team makes them a contender in the eastern conference.
the only team in their division that looks competitive or remotely capable is the boston bruins.

good bet

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pittsburgh penguins 10.00


gonchar imo, along with whitney, we're the main reason why the penguins found success last year.
they are both out for plenty of months.
ty is gone as well, leaving the penguins weak.

bad bet

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ny rangers 11.00

my friend called the rangers last year, and i couldn't quite see how it could happen.
they kinda look good this year, but still, i can't see this defence holding up despite the swede in net.

bad bet

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anaheim ducks 13.00

pronger is the best defencive school in the game.
the team remains elite, tough conference though.

good bet

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washington capitols 17.00

this team is full of stars
semin and green accompany the greatest forward in the game.
solid goaltending make this team a top contender in the eastern conference.

good bet

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minnesota wild 17.00

no no no, this team is not ready to compete.
too weak in too many places.
gaborik is the best winger in the game, but the team cannot compete with the other elite teams competing in the western conference.

bad bet

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calgary flames 17.00

very impressive names in the line-up, but don't let that fool you.
the rest of the lines remain weak.

bad bet

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buffalo sabres 17.00

how could anyone contemplate that this team can compete for anything this year. the play-offs are far fetched.

bad bet

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there are 4 more good bets and high prices and tell you why after the weekend when i'll have more free time to continue this.

the other 4 good bets would be........

phoinex coyotes

i've never been a fan of wayne as a coach, but i think he's starting to catch on now.
the team he has built is actually pretty good.
the addition of bryzgalov in net and jokinen at center are huge and now make this team a competitive force in the abosulte elite division in hockey. i would not be suprised at all if this team goes deeper than most expect in this seasons play-offs.

boston bruins

i've already hinted that the bruins were 1 of the 4 in the montreal reco;
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montreal canadiens 8.00

this team will not be going away any time soon.
as a franchise it is being run perfectly.
the speed and depth of this team makes them a contender in the eastern conference.
the only team in their division that looks competitive or remotely capable is the boston bruins.
the bruins have since dominated all teams in hockey, and now people have to start facing the reality of the bruins goaltender thomas who is a brick wall. this team is young and for real.

edmonton oilers

lets not forget that this is a team who made it to the stanley cup finals with chris pronger leading, leaving his teachings in defence.
the oilers have since added some very key players into the roster, mostly on the defence, but also some youngsters.
the key reason for this bet is that the division has become a little weak.... the canucks without luongo will certainly not be a contender.
the wild with gaborik is a very exciting team, but he's not playing, and if you look within the roster, its not really that impressive, i can't see them lasting. colorado seem the weakest despite some runs that they will have when their key players get in form.
the flames seem to be the oilers main opponent to win this division, but as i said above, the rest of the lines are not quite up to par.

st. louis blues


the 4th team that was left was the blues.
now this is a young team that will be competing with the blackhawks for this division in years to come.
its probably not time to be betting on them yet, but at this high price, a few coins can't hurt.

W.HI.P 11-29-2008 02:59 PM

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Washington Redskins vs New York Giants(-5.5)

probably the two best teams in the nfl in a preview of a later play-off round for sure.
with all their weapons , the redskins are superior.

Bet on the Washington Redskins

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Oakland Raiders(-3.5) vs Kansas City Chiefs

believe it or not, with the broncos season over, due to injuries to their key players on both sides of the ball, this division is open for grabs.
the chargers and the raiders are in a race to surpass the dead broncos.
mcffaden and fargas will run all over this very weak run defence.

Bet on the Oakland Raiders

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Minnesota Vikings(-3.5) vs Chicago Bears

just a huge game here, as it is a 2 horse race in this division.
the bears defence is even better now that their offence is working allowing them to rest.
the bears passing game will work against this minnesota defence.
forte can catch the ball if you haven't noticed.
the bears are a force in this nfc.

Bet on the Chicago Bears

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jinx 11-29-2008 06:35 PM

Quote:

forte can catch the ball if you haven't noticed.
Actually, I had noticed.... I picked him after week 3.
:D

lumberjim 11-30-2008 06:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by W.HI.P (Post 508757)
Dude, the cowboys are ranked 20th in points allowed this season.... i would call that far under par for a team thats supposed to be competing for the superbowl.
when was the last time a team with such a bad defence even made it to the superbowl?
lj, i'm just tryna help you save face for a second year in a row.

you should worry about your own face.

Since Wade took over play calling, the Dallas D has been extremely stingy.

The thing is, WHIP, that neither of us knows shit. I can admit that ...you can't.

classicman 11-30-2008 08:29 PM

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Washington Redskins vs New York Giants(-5.5)
Bet on the Washington Redskins
It wasn't even close. The Giants are looking extremely dominant... even moreso after losing both their starting defensive ends. Amazing and sickening at the same time.

W.HI.P 12-07-2008 12:18 AM

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pittsburgh steelers[-3.0] vs dallas cowboys

now the cowboys suck, that is very clear... its just that the steelers are worse, and wether you know it or not, their season is over ...the cowboys aren't that far ahead, they've got until just after the wildcard should they make it that far with their evident holes.

bet on the dallas cowboys


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baltimore ravens[-6.5] vs washington redskins

both of these teams are capable of going pretty far in the play-offs.
given the lack of decent teams on both ends, why not all the way.
the problem in this one for the ravens is that their offence is out-matched and will finds it tough putting up points.
low scoring game that could go either way...take the points.


bet on the under

bet on the washington redskins


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carolina panthers[-3.5] vs tampa bay bucs


the bookies aren't far off with the 3.5 points on carolina at home, its the media that have it all wrong.
given the fact that this is a monday night game, you gotta go against the media.

bet on the tampa bay bucs

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W.HI.P 12-12-2008 08:58 AM

every year at this time we start running into some serious cash.
its bowl time..............
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eagle bank bowl

wake forest[-3.0] - navy

navy has produced some good defence over these past few weeks, but here they are out-matched.
wake forest would have to stay home to lose this one.

bet on wake forest

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new orleans bowl

southern miss - troy[-4.5]


when i first saw the spread, i thought it was a miss-print.
no match here, easy win for the golden eagles.

bet on souther miss

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champs sports bowl


wisconsin - florida st[-4.5]


there are a lot more games i'd like to have money on, but when they give away gifts like this, you have to limit yourself and take the easy money..... this should be a badgers win.

bet on wisconsin

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alamo bowl


missouri[-13.0] - northwestern

there are some who would assume that missouri would not come to play their best stuff in the alamo bowl as their goals were obviously higher.
the differences are just to big here not to go with the better side.

bet on missouri

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sun bowl

oregon st[-3.0] - pittsburgh


here's another head scratcher...anyone who's been watching knows that it should be at least the other way around.

bet on pittsburgh


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rose bowl

usc[-10.0] - penn state

oh my i like this one.
the rose bowl's not that bad, they could have both done better.
i say they both show up.
penn state can win.

bet on penn state

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cotton bowl

mississippi - texas tech[-5.5]

most of you are gonna have your money riding on tech.
those who've watched mississippi play, know better.

bet on mississippi

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bcs championship

oklahoma - florida[-3.0]

i expected oklahoma to be here last year and win it.
imo, they remain the one team in the nation..... again.

bet on oklahoma

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lumberjim 12-12-2008 09:18 AM

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Originally Posted by W.HI.P (Post 511367)
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pittsburgh steelers[-3.0] vs dallas cowboys

now the cowboys suck, that is very clear... its just that the steelers are worse, and wether you know it or not, their season is over ...the cowboys aren't that far ahead, they've got until just after the wildcard should they make it that far with their evident holes.

bet on the dallas cowboys


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baltimore ravens[-6.5] vs washington redskins

both of these teams are capable of going pretty far in the play-offs.
given the lack of decent teams on both ends, why not all the way.
the problem in this one for the ravens is that their offence is out-matched and will finds it tough putting up points.
low scoring game that could go either way...take the points.


bet on the under

bet on the washington redskins


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carolina panthers[-3.5] vs tampa bay bucs


the bookies aren't far off with the 3.5 points on carolina at home, its the media that have it all wrong.
given the fact that this is a monday night game, you gotta go against the media.

bet on the tampa bay bucs

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I was going to say something about these results, but then I remembered that December 7th was 'Opposite Day.' great week!

W.HI.P 12-12-2008 08:33 PM

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new york jets[-9.5] vs buffalo bills

why would anyone, at any time, think that the jets are capable of doing anything with this kind of team.
buffalo is a better team, and unless they're in draft mode, they'll win this game against this inferior opponent.

bet on the buffalo bills

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arizona cardinals[-5.5] vs minnesota vikings

there are 9 teams in the nfl that won't be making the play-offs, that would be, had they been in the nfc west.
the cardinals have a one dimensional offence.
minnesota are superior and would be superbowl contenders if they could only stop the pass.

bet on the minnesota vikings

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baltimore ravens vs pittsburgh steelers[-2.5]

wether they win or lose this game, the steelers season is over.
these men on offence keep getting beat up week after week.
it now gets worse against the ravens d which will punish this extremely weak offencive line, and in turn hurt an already bruised up ben.... there is no way that this team can last the season, put aaside their above par defence.

bet on the baltimore ravens

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dallas cowboys[-3.0] vs ny giants


do the giants want to put a nail in the cowboys coffin...
negative, why would they want to take out a team that they can beat on any given day.
the giants have other teams to fear and will let the cowboys win this game in hope to face such a weak opponent as the cowboys in the play-offs..... its time to rest anyways.

bet on the weak, full of holes, under par defenced dallas cowboys


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Griff 12-14-2008 06:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by W.HI.P (Post 513219)
baltimore ravens vs pittsburgh steelers[-2.5]

wether they win or lose this game, the steelers season is over.
these men on offence keep getting beat up week after week.
it now gets worse against the ravens d which will punish this extremely weak offencive line, and in turn hurt an already bruised up ben.... there is no way that this team can last the season, put aaside their above par defence.

bet on the baltimore ravens

i'm not sorry about ur finger

lumberjim 12-14-2008 08:03 PM

did the redskins really lose to the bengals? that can't be right.....can it?

W.HI.P 12-14-2008 08:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lumberjim (Post 513692)
did the redskins really lose to the bengals? that can't be right.....can it?

yes they did, the bengals were actually my base for the week

lumberjim 12-14-2008 08:29 PM

I'm over you.

W.HI.P 12-14-2008 08:29 PM

Quote:

wether they win or lose this game, the steelers season is over.
this fact remains.

whats wrong there broke back mountain boy?
nervous about the season being over?

lumberjim 12-14-2008 08:32 PM

hey, Griff....

Steelers Cowboys Superbowl this year!

We need to even the series.

W.HI.P 12-15-2008 09:47 PM

the nfl of all sports is one controlled by money.
the reaon being is that it generates so much of it.

coming week 17, and then into the play-offs, the money out-weighs the sport.

all one needs to do to determine the outcome of these highly wagered games is answer the question 'where is the money placed?'
the money is always taken away.
bet against the masses and you'll win, its as simple as that.

from late december till early febuary is a non-stop free-money affair.
those of you who have held onto your serious cash, now is the time to use that for sure profit.

it starts with the bowl games starting this saturday. then onto the the nfl play-offs.

tw. 12-15-2008 11:31 PM

85% of all betting can be traced to top management. Only ask where top management is betting to see facts. not given is what games an adult will bet.

W.HI.P 12-20-2008 03:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by W.HI.P (Post 512922)
every year at this time we start running into some serious cash.
its bowl time..............
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eagle bank bowl

wake forest[-3.0] - navy

navy has produced some good defence over these past few weeks, but here they are out-matched.
wake forest would have to stay home to lose this one.

bet on wake forest

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new orleans bowl

southern miss - troy[-4.5]


when i first saw the spread, i thought it was a miss-print.
no match here, easy win for the golden eagles.

bet on souther miss

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champs sports bowl


wisconsin - florida st[-4.5]


there are a lot more games i'd like to have money on, but when they give away gifts like this, you have to limit yourself and take the easy money..... this should be a badgers win.

bet on wisconsin

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alamo bowl


missouri[-13.0] - northwestern

there are some who would assume that missouri would not come to play their best stuff in the alamo bowl as their goals were obviously higher.
the differences are just to big here not to go with the better side.

bet on missouri

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sun bowl

oregon st[-3.0] - pittsburgh


here's another head scratcher...anyone who's been watching knows that it should be at least the other way around.

bet on pittsburgh


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rose bowl

usc[-10.0] - penn state

oh my i like this one.
the rose bowl's not that bad, they could have both done better.
i say they both show up.
penn state can win.

bet on penn state

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cotton bowl

mississippi - texas tech[-5.5]

most of you are gonna have your money riding on tech.
those who've watched mississippi play, know better.

bet on mississippi

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bcs championship

oklahoma - florida[-3.0]

i expected oklahoma to be here last year and win it.
imo, they remain the one team in the nation..... again.

bet on oklahoma

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don't forget to bet on these as they have paid off these past few years.

the best defencive way to bet on these games is to list them by number 1 through 8 and play the following combinations

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123
124
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134
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234
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345
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456
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467
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567
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678

thats 56 bets
we'll be increasing the wagers here, so.......
$190 a bet x 56 = $10.800

3 wins will get you = $1.330
4 wins will get you = $5.320
5 wins will get you $13.330
6 wins will get you $26.660
7 wins will get you $46.550
8 wins will get you $74.480

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another way to bet is to take a base and list it as 1


123
124
125
126
127
128
134
135
136
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thats 21 bets
$480 a bet x 21 = $10.080

the base and 2 wins will get you = $3.360
the base and 3 wins will get you = $10.080
the base and 4 wins will get you = $20.160
the base and 5 wins will get you = $33.600
the base and 6 wins will get you = $50.400
the base and 7 wins will get you = $70.560

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another way to bet, is to take 2 bases and list them as 1 and 2

123
124
125
126
127
128

thats 6 bets
$1.700 a bet x 6 = $10.200

two bases and 1 win = $11.900
two bases and 2 wins = $23.800
two bases and 3 wins = $35.700
two bases and 4 wins = $47.600
two bases and 5 wins = $59.500
two bases and 6 wins = $71.400

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lumberjim 12-20-2008 08:34 PM

JIMMY, turn the cowboys game on, and watch it. then try to tell me the Defense is sub par.

W.HI.P 12-20-2008 10:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lumberjim (Post 515563)
JIMMY, turn the cowboys game on, and watch it. then try to tell me the Defense is sub par.

one of the weakest offences in the nfl score 33 points against your team...
dallas's defence is below sub-par.

lumberjim 12-20-2008 10:59 PM

:::kicks whip in the cunt:::

W.HI.P 12-20-2008 11:12 PM

dude, as i said... its not my fault your team sucks.

hopefully next weeks game dallas cowboys - philadelphia eagles will be for a spot in a wild-card game.
you do hold a superior team to my eagles, but win or lose, the cowboys are gonna get hurt again.... remember last year?

lj, you could always change teams. :whip:

i'm more interested in the bowl-games going on.
some heavy cash on the line, already 1 for 1 ...7 to go!!!!

W.HI.P 12-27-2008 12:02 AM

latest results............

eagle bank bowl
wake forest[-3.0] 29-19 navy ........WIN

new orleans bowl
southern miss 30-27 troy[-4.5] .......WIN

so we're going for some heavy duty money.
it continue's with this afternoon's wisconsin's game!!

Quote:

Originally Posted by W.HI.P (Post 512922)
champs sports bowl


wisconsin - florida st[-4.5]


there are a lot more games i'd like to have money on, but when they give away gifts like this, you have to limit yourself and take the easy money..... this should be a badgers win.

bet on wisconsin

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alamo bowl


missouri[-13.0] - northwestern

there are some who would assume that missouri would not come to play their best stuff in the alamo bowl as their goals were obviously higher.
the differences are just to big here not to go with the better side.

bet on missouri

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sun bowl

oregon st[-3.0] - pittsburgh


here's another head scratcher...anyone who's been watching knows that it should be at least the other way around.

bet on pittsburgh


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rose bowl

usc[-10.0] - penn state

oh my i like this one.
the rose bowl's not that bad, they could have both done better.
i say they both show up.
penn state can win.

bet on penn state

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cotton bowl

mississippi - texas tech[-5.5]

most of you are gonna have your money riding on tech.
those who've watched mississippi play, know better.

bet on mississippi

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bcs championship

oklahoma - florida[-3.0]

i expected oklahoma to be here last year and win it.
imo, they remain the one team in the nation..... again.

bet on oklahoma

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W.HI.P 12-28-2008 12:03 AM

nfl, week 17... its the same kind of case scenario as last year.
bet against the teams that need to win.
whatever you do, don't bet your money where the masses do.

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ny jets[-2.5] vs miami dolphins

now here's a game that you can bet on that has purpose as both teams need to win.
brett leads the nfl all time in interceptions.
and don't tell me that its because he's played more games than anyone else cause thats silly.
this year he outranks all qb's by far with an incredible 19 interceptions.
the jets are under par all over the place.
bill parcels and the dolphins are superior and should make the play-offs against this very weak jets team.

bet on the miami dolphins

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remember..... if you're not gonna bet against the team that needs to win, at least don't bet on them.

free money coming up

W.HI.P 12-30-2008 12:41 AM

nfc

new york giants

is the team capable of repeating?
clearly yes... the giants are easily, the best team in the nfc.
.... but lets not forget the most important factor in this sport....
money.

carolina panthers

the defence has been good for quite some time, although it does have some small holes.
the offence is simply not good enough to make it all the way.

minnesota vikings - philadelphia eagles

i'd say to you straight up that the vikings would win this game, but the vikings simply cannot stop the pass.
with donovan healthy and westbrook coming out of the back to catch, the eagles are as dominating as a passing team can get.
the eagles have the edge.

atlanta falcons - arizona cardinals

most people have yet to truly understand what turner is capable of.
arizona should not be participating in the play-offs.
the one and only thing that can create an upset here is the fact that atlanta's defence is very far under par.
of course atlanta has the edge as they can control the clock.

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afc

tennessee titans

the team is really not that good.
look a little closer at this teams defence.
the numbers in the titans case, do actually lie.
think of what kind of offences this titans defence faced.
twice against the jaguars offence.
twice against the colts who in the 1st one, were without rb addai, or wr's harrison and gonzales. ...its not that hard to cover one man[wayne]
and the texans twice, without the top ranked wr.
other offences they faced were the lions, bears, chiefs, browns and bengals.... you see? the numbers lie big time.
don't believe the hype, the titans are not all that.

pittsburgh steelers

i said it again and again, the ol is the weakest in the game.
the season is over for the steelers.
its not even about ben, we're talking about a group of men[ol], who are simply smaller and weaker than the guys on the other team.
they're hurting and they can't take anymore.
poor guys, they were physically punished for several weeks in a row, and they could simply not protect ben.
and it does not matter who you replace him with, the ol is now, non-existant.
the season is over.

chargers - colts

media is bad, so don't listen.
there is no team in the nfl that holds more superstars in their roster than the chargers, they are elite.
the game is open as the colts are also elite.
whoever wins this game will be true contenders for the superbowl.

ravens - dolphins

another open match-up that should be close all the way to the end.
the team that wins this game will be in the afc final, so don't get all suprised when that happens.

W.HI.P 12-31-2008 02:19 PM

nfl wild card

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arizona cardinals vs atlanta falcons[-2.5]

as i said above, arizona should not be here.
there are 6 teams with the same, or better record than the cardinals who are not in the play-offs.
add the fact that arizona got to play the seashawks, rams and 49ers on 2 occassions each.
my only fear in this game is atlanta's defence.
the falcons rb turner is unstopable.
i will be suprised if arizona makes it past this game.

bet on the atlanta falcons


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san diego chargers vs indianapolis colts[-2,5]


it is more than likely that the chargers win this game.
the colts are not quite as good this year as the past couple years.
am i afraid of manning.... of course.
if there is a team in the afc that can stop the chargers from making the superbowl, its the colts.

bet on the san diego chargers


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miami dolphins vs baltimore ravens[-3.5]

both of these teams are capable of making it a close game in the afc final in a few weeks from now.
i would not be suprised if bill and the dolphins win this game.
nice little 3.5 point pillow as well.

bet on the miami dolphins


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minnesota vikings vs philadelphia eagles[-3.5]

when the vikings fill in some missing pieces at corner-back and safety, they will be top contenders for the superbowl.... until then, they will be beaten by teams with passing games like the eagles have.

bet on the philadelphia eagles


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lumberjim 01-03-2009 10:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nfl rules
Digest of Rules Main
Intentional Grounding of Forward Pass
  1. Intentional grounding of a forward pass is a foul: loss of down and 10 yards from previous spot if passer is in the field of play or loss of down at the spot of the foul if it occurs more than 10 yards behind the line or safety if passer is in his own end zone when ball is released.
  2. Intentional grounding will be called when a passer, facing an imminent loss of yardage due to pressure from the defense, throws a forward pass without a realistic chance of completion.
  3. Intentional grounding will not be called when a passer, while out of the pocket and facing an imminent loss of yardage, throws a pass that lands at or beyond the line of scrimmage, even if no offensive player(s) have a realistic chance to catch the ball (including if the ball lands out of bounds over the sideline or end line).

i think i saw 4 instances where rivers grounded the ball. no shit

add to that the ridiculous spots.......and it seems like the fix is in.

wait....thats 5......as i write this... a flagrant example......


and now a horse shit holding call and a lame facemask.


sigh.....

classicman 01-03-2009 11:08 PM

While that fictional face mask was going on - look at #61 for SD - His hand was clearly INSIDE the face mask of an Indy defender. . . I just wish they would let the friggin teams decide these games. The officiating crew should all publicly apologize and then be fired. The entire unit SUCKED!

W.HI.P 01-04-2009 08:34 PM

lj, last year, the cowboys lost to the superbowl champions giants.
if it made you feel any better, you might want to cheer for my eagles this year :D

W.HI.P 01-04-2009 08:35 PM

nfl play-offs

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tennessee titans[-3.0] vs baltimore ravens

as i've said before this year, the ravens are capable of representing the afc in the superbowl[read signature].
i've evaluated how weak the titans team is in reality.
this will be a close game, but the ravens have the edge and the spread.

bet on the baltimore ravens

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carolina panthers[-10.0] vs arizona cardinals

the panthers are not going to win the superbowl, they are not good enough.... but they will win this silly game.

bet on the carolina panthers

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new york giants[-4.0] vs philadelphia eagles


the winner of this game will be in the superbowl as they are the last 2 decent teams in the nfc.
the giants are superior, but one must consider all factors when wagering this kind of cash.

bet on the philadelphia eagles


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pittsburgh steelers[-6.0] vs san diego chargers


free money
they should create a new rule in the nfl where a team must have at least an amateur ol to be permited to play an nfl game.
the steelers at this time, do not have an ol that lives up to that standard.
take any qb in the game...... or take any qb in the history of the game, and place him behind this line in this condition and he will not be able to preform.
double digit win here for the chargers.
dip in to your savings for this one.

bet on the san diego chargers

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bluecuracao 01-04-2009 11:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by W.HI.P (Post 519023)

new york giants[-4.0] vs philadelphia eagles


the winner of this game will be in the superbowl as they are the last 2 decent teams in the nfc.
the giants are superior, but one must consider all factors when wagering this kind of cash.

bet on the philadelphia eagles

Er, what kind of cash would that be, exactly? :)

It was pretty quiet in the city tonight, after the win against the Vikings...but if we can beat the Giants next week, I think folks will be a little more excited!

W.HI.P 01-05-2009 02:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bluecuracao (Post 519087)
Er, what kind of cash would that be, exactly? :)

It was pretty quiet in the city tonight, after the win against the Vikings...but if we can beat the Giants next week, I think folks will be a little more excited!

5 digit kind of cash for this game.
triple the amount on the chargers game.
i guess the win was expected against the Vikings.
the Giants are a different story.
keep in mind.... i'm saying bet on this spread, it does not mean the Eagles gotta win, although it would be a bonus as the Panthers should be a piece of cake in the NFC final.
Donovan is healthy, the defence is doing it..... lets go Eagles!

W.HI.P 01-11-2009 03:03 PM

holy fuck, the philadelphia eagles are in the superbowl!

Undertoad 01-11-2009 03:20 PM

Tom Coughlin is the most annoying coach in the NFL. Every single game, totally red-faced, barking at the refs, making stupid emotional calls... the players have got to be sick of that stuff. I'd shoot myself in the leg before playing for that guy.

E - A - G - L - E - S - EAGLES!!!!!

xoxoxoBruce 01-11-2009 05:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Undertoad (Post 521181)
I'd shoot myself in the leg before playing for that guy.

Not even one year for maybe a $million? :haha:

lumberjim 01-11-2009 06:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by W.HI.P (Post 521177)
holy fuck, the philadelphia eagles are in the superbowl!

so, you're totally discounting the cardinals?

i agree, personally, but...they do have to play the game to get in to the superbowl

The ravens or the steelers?

It would be cool to have an all PA superbowl.....but the ravens are fierce

W.HI.P 01-11-2009 06:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lumberjim (Post 521244)
so, you're totally discounting the cardinals?

i agree, personally, but...they do have to play the game to get in to the superbowl

umm, like yeah, it can't get any easier.
the eagles will score at will, where arizona's offence will be forced into being one dimensional.

classicman 01-11-2009 06:59 PM

Kurt Warner is older than, well older than, Bruce. Talk about a stationary target.

Griff 01-11-2009 07:13 PM

Big Ben looked very comfortable today.

W.HI.P 01-12-2009 07:42 PM

nfl - nfc final

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arizona cardinals vs philadelphia eagles[-3.5]

tell me please, how did arizona make the play-offs?
they beat the 49ers twice
they beat the rams twice
they beat the seahawks twice
in the play-offs, they beat one of the worst defence's in the game falcons, and an overall mediocre team in the carolina panthers.
arizona has not beaten a team that is at least, par.
the eagles at this time, on both sides of the ball, are well above par.
this game will not be close......

bet on the philadelphia eagles

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afc final

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pittsburgh steelers[-6.0] vs baltimore ravens


as an eagles fan, i hope for a steelers win here, that'll set up an easy superbowl win for phillie.
the chargers defence ,did not attempt to pass-rush the steelers last week.... i have no idea what they were thinking.
i can guarentee you that the ravens will be pass-rushing most of the time.
the steelers ol will not be able to stop them, leading to sacks and interceptions.
come sunday, the ravens will make it very clear which team has the superior defence.
jump all over this spread.

bet on the baltimore ravens


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classicman 01-12-2009 07:44 PM

whip - Did you see the Giants pulling stunts about a third of the time trying to get pressure on McNabb? The Eagles OL did a really good job picking them up. . . well after the safety anyway. : Shrug:

W.HI.P 01-12-2009 10:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by classicman (Post 521679)
whip - Did you see the Giants pulling stunts about a third of the time trying to get pressure on McNabb? The Eagles OL did a really good job picking them up. . . well after the safety anyway. : Shrug:

that kind of coaching strategy works when you have a monster like strachan in your pass rush
..... evidently, it does not work as well without him.

i guess the chargers defence without merriman isn't quite the same in that same aspect of pass-rush.

the eagles are a well-rounded team with decent players through-out the positions.
the eagles coaching is key.
donovan mcnabb is the true leader, and the offence has purely been constructed for his needs.
quick wr's to match donovan's arm downfield.
the greatest catching rb in the game westbrook holds the greatest value in donovan's options.
the cardinals defence cannot hold this offence from scoring.
the cardinals recievers are amongst the absolute elite in the game, warner shines through them.
based on the match-ups between arizona's offence and philadelphia's defence, i would chose to play a hardcore pressure defence, arizona would not be able to run against this proven defence, and i'm not so sure the cardinals will be able to protect kurt when the eagles d goes after him.

on to the superbowl.
it will be most likely between the eagles and the ravens.
a low scoring afair it will be.

lumberjim 01-12-2009 11:07 PM

I think the Eagles lose to the Ravens if that happens

They might take the steelers though....

W.HI.P 01-16-2009 11:13 AM

both spreads have moved.
the spreads have moved in the direction that would influence anyone who has bet on the steelers or cardinals, to wager more money.
we're on the right track here.


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