It never was "here". It was stupid to begin with. Though russotto's comment was funny.

"What is it going to take for you to drop your grudge and accept the fact that Trent and company use real instruments, in addition to computers, to make their music?"

If you look at my last post, I think I say precisely that, along with the word "apologies". I would that he occasionally uses a real instrument, rarely, but still, I agree it happens.

However, I know for a fact that it's much closer to 100% than it is to 0.

Many musicians are offended by people who use computers to create their music, as oppose to simply using computers to edit. Whether you happen to be offended by it or not, I'm guessing the answer is no, which is fine. However, I don't know why you're deluding yourself into thinking that Nine Inch Nails is not mostly computer generated (not just edited, *generated*) music. Clearly you have no problem with it, in fact *most* people have no problem with it. But that has no bearing on the fact that it's mostly drum machines and computers.

Alright. Whatever you say man. You're wrong, and that's okay. I happen to know, for a fact, that The Fragile is mostly guitar-based. As in, closer to 0% than 100% of it is computer <b>generated</b>. But that's okay. If you wish to delude yourself and ignore reality, I won't stop you.

I'm done here.

You two are the opening match for Sharon vs. Arafat.

Dham wins this battle though...most of the music is organic (guitar, drums), then tweaked through computers. It's probably become more organic since Pretty Hate Machine.

Not to mention that NIN's use of computers was extremely innovative ... almost anyone can make a cacophony on a six-string, but who else could make such beautiful music out of noise?? This guy just sounds bitter.

I was searching for this thread and came across thisn' instead. As many times as you've pointed out that you're a huge ninner fan, I've forgotten to mention that Danny Lohner is from my home town. He's a year or three older than I, but I knew his jackass brother in school. Unfortunately, I never cared much for Danny the few times I met him, though I'm sure he's a changed man, etc...
One of the first bands he was in, Angkor Wat (aka Anger Twat), went on to become what I now hear is Skrew. I think AW was an opener for a Ministry/NIN tour back in the day, which happened after Al Jorgenson saw Danny & Co when Al was a Texas mainstay (he might still be, I just don't know). I heard that during that time, Trent got to liking Danny and his "talent," and asked him to jump ship and climb aboard with him. I guess that was some time before Downward Spiral.
There's more, I just don't feel like typing it now.