Good job. Hopefully he can't call her.

Mothers have to many rights.

They have the same number of rights as fathers.
What are you talking about?

Maybe. Do you know the girl? Do you have an 11/12yo girl? Neither do I. But I know a few 11/12 yo girls. I don't like what I am hearing from this guy, but I don't think it merits crucifiction. No denying he's an asshole, but no proof he ain't being provoked.

This clip was leaked to the press. Does the leak benefit the daugher? Or the Mom? That should give an idea of the possible provoction level.

My mum use to prevent me answering calls from my dad. Most of the time she let the phone ring. Sometimes she picked up and told him I didn't want to talk to him. She told me I didn't want to talk to him because he was abusive and would try to turn me against her. (He's an utter pillock, but was never abusive -it took me a long time to work this out) She was my mom. I believed her. My dad got angry. He shouted. He got pissed off with me and my sister because he was told that we didn't want to talk to him. We then hated him because we didnt know what our mom had told him, but we knew he made her mad and because he might be "abusive" if we went to visit him.


Get the picture?

No, they have more. Lots more. Talk to any divorced father and you will have a PhD in mother's rights in about five minutes.

I have a picture, not yours... in mine it is still not ok for him to take it out on you.

Not OK, but not inhuman. One needs to make allowances for humans occasionally. They aren't perfect. Most are lucky enough not to be in the public eye when they fuck up. He wasn't.

I heard the full call on Glenn Beck's show this morning.

I consider it proof that some people shouldn't breed.

Chances are that the child at 12 is more mature than both of her parents.

There is a steep price for early maturity.

Sure... but that has nothing to do with the need for accountability.

Who's to say that the content of this call was an occasional human error (ie: maybe he does it all the time)? Or that it was the worst of what he subjects his daughter to? How do we know that whether or not this is 'normal' for AB? Or that the things he said were mild compared to other tirades?

We don't. So I base my opinion solely on this incident and quite simply, he was an abusive asshole.

I have an 11 yr old daughter. She's a handful, defiant and mouthy. But she would never deserve to be called a pig or ranted at.

As for releasing the tape to the media? Sorry, I think this was a good thing. Verbal abuse is mostly behind closed doors when the abuser drops the public 'act'. People who are not the target often don't believe the charming, personable, friendly people would actually say such nasty things. I often wished I had a tape of my exhusband calling my 9yr old son a useless, worthless, piece of shit m*therf*cker. Maybe just to remind ME later that it was really as bad as it seemed at the time.

I've never understood why some people treat the ones they 'love' much, much worse than they treat colleagues and strangers. Blows my mind. And I see no reason to help them maintain their facade.

Stormie

Spoken like a parent with experience. When all the "arm chair" parents get a chance to step into the arena they will never have clue...

I've been a parent for nearly 11yrs now and I have never spoken to my kids with such malice. It's fairly obvious he was pissed off with his daughter, but geez, she's just a kid for christs sake. You just don't put shit like that on your kids. It's not that he called her a pig multiple times. It's that he would leave a message on her phone saying it. If I was that mad at my kids I'd never say something like that on a message. I'd want to be standing in front of them and explaining exactly what it is I was angry about. Not just resorting to pathetic namecalling because I'd lost my cool.

It's just not good form.

I agree, she is the scumbag for putting this out in public. :cool:

The daughter released the phone message. I will lay money on it. Just you wait and see.