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bluecuracao 05-07-2007 12:57 PM

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Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce (Post 341125)
High school is not a democracy

Right, so it's the perfect place for the rebellious amongst us to cut our teeth. :D

Spexxvet 05-07-2007 02:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Ibram (Post 340946)
Is it discrimination and sexism to say that, in the dance unit for PE, you will get a worse grade for not dancing with the opposite sex, or simply be forced to pair with people of the opposite sex?

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Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce (Post 341125)
That's exactly what I was talking about, it's high school. They don't give a rats ass if you think it's fair. High school is not a democracy, so it doesn't matter if you like it or not. You do what you're told or pay the penalty. Simple as that.

His question is not whether he should do it or not, it is whether it is discrimination to get a lower grade?

Cloud 05-07-2007 04:09 PM

Attitude is part of any class's grade. If you are not cooperating with your instructor, in any way, it is reasonable to assume you will get a lower grade.

rkzenrage 05-07-2007 04:25 PM

I don't think it is discriminatory in PE because that is how the class is set-up. I don't like certain kinds of math, but I had to do it.
However, it is discrimination to disallow same sex couples to dance at school functions and the schools should be prosecuted for discrimination for interfering with them.
Who the kid's dance with is none of their business.

Hime 05-07-2007 05:03 PM

I think it's a pretty stupid rule. What harm is done by two dudes dancing together?

Undertoad 05-07-2007 05:10 PM

They offer dancing for gays in high school. They call it wrestling.

xoxoxoBruce 05-07-2007 05:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Spexxvet (Post 341311)
His question is not whether he should do it or not, it is whether it is discrimination to get a lower grade?

Duh, it doesn't matter, it's high school. You do what you are told or you pay the price, there's nothing new about that.
When you went to school, didn't you expect to get a lower grade if you didn't do what the teacher said he/she wanted you to do? There's no discrimination, EVERYONE has to do what they are told. You can't whine you're being discriminated against because you don't want to do what they say, that's bullshit.

Aliantha 05-07-2007 07:25 PM

Just because that's the way it is doesn't mean it's right does it? I mean that question to be considered from a philosophical viewpoint. For example, if we all rested on our laurels and said, "the way it is is good enough", would we still be living in caves? (metaphorically speaking of course. I recognise the right of those that don't believe in evolution to change that to habitation provided by God)

Spexxvet 05-07-2007 09:05 PM

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Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce (Post 341372)
Duh, it doesn't matter, it's high school. You do what you are told or you pay the price, there's nothing new about that.
When you went to school, didn't you expect to get a lower grade if you didn't do what the teacher said he/she wanted you to do? There's no discrimination, EVERYONE has to do what they are told. You can't whine you're being discriminated against because you don't want to do what they say, that's bullshit.

Duh, so when black kids in Mississippi were forbidden to go to "white" schools, it was just school, it wasn't discrimination - according to your definition.

Would it be discrimination if the teacher made everyone dance with a partner of the same race, or suffer a lower grade?

Spexxvet 05-07-2007 09:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Undertoad (Post 341366)
They offer dancing for gays in high school. They call it wrestling.

What do they call it when I wrestle with your [insert loved female relative]? :boxers:

busterb 05-07-2007 10:09 PM

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Duh, so when black kids in Mississippi were forbidden to go to "white" schools, it was just school, it wasn't discrimination - according to your definition.
This ain't gona be PC.
So you have years of knowledge about schools in the south? I went to school in the 50s. Black kids got the new schools, new books. No one asked us kids about shit.
Drop by and spend a few days with me and I'll show you just what you got for you tax money, if you pay any. :bolt:

piercehawkeye45 05-08-2007 03:16 AM

There shouldn't be a problem if two guys or two girls want to dance with eachother. You should not force a gay person to dance with someone of the opposite sex just as you shouldn't force a straight person to dance with someone of the same sex. If you are forcing people to do one, you should do the other. If you are not willing to do one, do not expect everyone to do the other as well

xoxoxoBruce 05-08-2007 09:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Aliantha (Post 341422)
Just because that's the way it is doesn't mean it's right does it? I mean that question to be considered from a philosophical viewpoint. For example, if we all rested on our laurels and said, "the way it is is good enough", would we still be living in caves? (metaphorically speaking of course. I recognise the right of those that don't believe in evolution to change that to habitation provided by God)

It's a moot point. High school is not a democracy, it's training. The inmates do not run the asylum.

xoxoxoBruce 05-08-2007 09:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Spexxvet (Post 341453)
Duh, so when black kids in Mississippi were forbidden to go to "white" schools, it was just school, it wasn't discrimination - according to your definition.

Would it be discrimination if the teacher made everyone dance with a partner of the same race, or suffer a lower grade?

that strawman has nothing to do with it, the class is not split. EVERYONE has to do the same thing... follow instructions or risk a lower grade.

Ibby 05-08-2007 09:21 AM

Considering I'm paying large sums of mone-- er, considering youre paying large sums of money on my behalf to go to the school, I think I'm completely entitled to demand not to be discriminated against.


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