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elSicomoro 06-02-2002 08:57 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by tw
They don't want us to know why they ignored the real problems and why they created an MBA type bureaucracy - Office of Homeland Security - instead of empowering the workers and fixing the existing system.
But how can it be MBA style? Ridge has a JD, not an MBA. ;)

Nic Name 06-02-2002 09:14 PM

I'm not sure, but reading tw's posts for the past several months I thought MBA was just his acromym for Management By Assholes.

Scred 06-02-2002 09:28 PM

ok, i give. you must be right. either that or you're beyond reasoning with. either way, drive through. :)

elSicomoro 06-02-2002 09:37 PM

It's probably a bit of both. :)

spinningfetus 06-03-2002 05:00 PM

for next time...
 
What are the chances they'll be on top of it? I don't have a lot of faith in the same government that purposely poisoned its citizens to determine the effects of radiation poisoning to protect us from something that ultimately benefits those with a vested interest in security spending.

tw 06-03-2002 05:09 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by sycamore
But how can it be MBA style? Ridge has a JD, not an MBA. ;)
Lee Iacocca had an engineering degree from Lehigh and an MBA from Princeton. Which was he? His decision making process was product oriented - at least until his last days in Chrysler when he tried to kill the Neon. He was called a car guy - not a bean counter.

Don Petersen replaced Henry Ford in Ford Motor. Petersen was MBA trained. But he was clearly a car guy - more concerned with the product than with finance. Therefore he saved Ford Motor from bankruptcy.

Henry Ford was MBA educated. He could not drive a car nor understood why he should drive. He had an MBA degree and made decisions accordingly. He was a classic MBA type made even worse because of his MBA degree.

Ridge did not create Office of Homeland Security. Geroge Jr and his advisors created the office. George Jr is MBA trained meaning that the only company he could run without bankruptcy was a baseball team - protected from free market forces by a Supreme Court ruling. Vice President Cheney is an MBA who reigned over Haliburton as they (now alleged from an ongoing investigation) cooked the books.

Today and again, we know the FBI was told names of two terrorists who planned to hijack airplanes three weeks in advance. For six months, FBI director denied that this and many other information was available even to the Director. These actions in combination with field office memos from AZ and MN make top management intent over the past 6 months disturbingly obvious.

In hindsight, a good, product oriented manager would have addressed bureaucracy problems, immediately, in the FBI. Mueller and the White House did not. Instead those problems were ignored, publically and repeatedly denied, and instead, another layer of bureacracy was created - Office of Homeland Security.

When Ford was run by an MBA named Henry, Ford engineers had 48 levels of bosses. When Petersen, a car guy, fixed Ford Motor, the levels of management were reduced to 6. Product people solve problems by addressing management problems - including less bureaucracy. Ross Perot called it using money as a scapel to solve problems.

MBA type can only create more levels of bureaucracy. They throw more money, like a grenade, at those problems. That is the George Jr administration's solution to severe management problems especially at the FBI. More bureacracy and more money - like the classic MBA type - while denying for 6 months the real reason for problems.

One need not have an MBA degree to think like one. In the USSR, it was called communism. "We are the key decision makers and we will tell you when your house needs a new roof". Just another example of MBA thinking. Centralized bureaucracy whose ignorance of how work gets done is covered up by creating more bureaucracy - ie Office of Homeland Security.

Undertoad 06-04-2002 11:56 AM

Today CNN reports that the FBI is alerting dive shops.

elSicomoro 06-04-2002 12:05 PM

I thought they did that already.

tw 06-06-2002 10:36 PM

Under grilling by Sen Specter R-PA in a Congressional hearing, the FBI Director now believes that the FBI may have had enough evidence to maybe have stopped a WTC attack. A major reversal in administration rhetoric. More credit to a press that asked "what did he know and when did he know it". Three weeks ago, the White House send out their attack dog, Cheney, to demand the press stop making "incendiary" attacks. Incendiary is Cheney's own word. Well the press did not stop - and good. And either did a long list of whistle blowers who kept telling us what this adminstration denied so as to avoid talking about and addressing problem in a failed system.

As a result, the NY Times now believes that the White House has changed strategy. This is an administration that fears us to know anything more than what they want us to know. One of the "not like Clinton" policies is to limit and stop all information to the press or public unless 'approved' by government powers. They accuse Clinton of having been too honest and frank with the press. So instead, leaks come out every day about how much the George Jr administration did know and outrightly denied.

The new policy is to tell all. The new policy is to get out in front of all the leaks and make it look like the administration was really fixing a non-functional system - which is inaccurate based upon so many leaks.

Clearly the Office of Homeland Security does not address the reasons for problems. Furthermore, who takes George Jr seriously when he encourages, in tonight's speech, for little people to bypass authority when they think the system is stifling necessary facts and actions. In a tight lipped administration, whistle blowers are quashed like bugs. But to those who really don't know what happens in Washington, this will make George Jr look better even as more leaks keep coming.

Latest is a USDA agent in FL who was all but told by Atta that he wanted to convert planes into 'crop duster' attackers. She was told by this administration that she would be fired if she told what she knew. Well she talked anyway telling us more about how much more the adminstration did know back then.

We know there is enough reason to believe the administration could have stopped a WTC attack if the system worked. But the scandel is that top government officials knew the system was broken right after 11 Sept and knew the information was in the system - and lied about knowing any of this. George Jr wants these daily new revelations to stop. That is what changed today in the administration's policy.

OK. Maybe they don't know how to fix a system. But they sure know how to play politics with the facts.

It was not helping a Republican administration to attack a senior Republican intelligence committe members such as Shelby of AL because he too was demanding honesty from the George Jr administration. Just another reasons that the White House may have changed tactics.

"What did they know and when did they know it" is a question that a tight lipped, 'lie if necessary to deny knowledge of the truth" administration feared - at least until today. We shall see how correct the NY Times is.


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