That is only because they are selfish assholes.

Yep, you got it all figgered out, Mercy. ;)

Someone is in such despair that they are prepared to give up the only thing they are born with (ie life) and you think they should be considering other people's feelings?

Can't see it happening somehow.

The brave can sacrifice their own lives for other people.
The suicidal can only remove their own.

Nicely said, SG.

Anyway Spectacle:

Don't try to pigeon-hole your feelings - you can't help what you feel and what you don't. I would suggest your feelings are appropriate to your relationship anyway.

Last year one of ladies who worked in my local newsagent committed suicide. I went in there a couple of times a week and exchanged the usual pleasantries with her. When told she had committed suicide, first I had to think hard to remember her (two ladies with the same hair colour doing the same job confuse me). And then I was mildly interested, shocking the friend who told me, who thought I'd be upset.

There's enough genuine sadness in people's lies without worrying about borrowing some.

So the first of the month is fast approaching. Does the rent check go to the dead guy? Or does Spec need to track down the new owner and pay him? Damn if I know. I'd probably mail the check to the dead guy. The estate ought to be able to cash it.

My fiance killed himself while I was at work....prepping vegetables...
The worst job I've ever had too...

If you'd like to know why someone would do such a thing....date me...apparently it makes people suicidal. I was thinking about a friend last night who hung himself. He was a very strong person..I think he was confused temporarily and that was enough. I think they all were. I don't think it had anything to do with strength. They all happened to be very strong...Just confused. I think it could happen to anyone now.

Let me add, I don't think just anyone can take others out. They are different.

I've had this conversation with my mother before. As far as we can see it, there are only two reasons to stay alive.
1. Duty
2. Curiosity

Once those are overcome, there is no reason to keep slogging. :2cents:

I'm not now suicidal, but I have been in the past. I still sometimes get a flash through my head of ramming my car into an overpass or some such when I'm driving. It's weird how strong the impulse can be. And I currently have no reason whatsoever to want to do such a thing.

I'm glad someone else posted this. Now I don't think I'm completely crazy.

I didn't say I wasn't crazy.:smashfrea

oh shit, now i'm in trouble!

A friend told me once (and he said he got it from his shrink, for whatever that's worth) that this is, oddly enough, a mental phenomenon associated with obsessive-compulsive tendencies, and doesn't actually reflect a genuine desire to be hurt or die. It's more of a mental compulsion to do something because it is there to do, if that makes sense. Anyway, he and/or the shrink also claimed it was far, far more common than most people realize.

(In case it isn't obvious, I used to have thoughts like this casually pop into my head all the time, but they've slowly gone away over the last 5 years or so--coupled with a huge mellowing of my once strong OCD tendencies, but I don't know if I'd go so far as to say for sure they're related.)

Hey, come sit in the ER with me the next time a 16 yr old shoots himself in the head but doesn't die right away. You would be impressed at how many people it effects. And who gets to go back to his bedroom and clean up the mess. Yea, I think suicide is selfish.

I'm not saying any of that isn't true, merc. I think we're talking about 2 seperate things. I did admit it's selfish; I do believe we can't fathom what it takes to lead someone there.

For the record, I too believe it is one of the most selfish acts in life, but it seems we have no Baptists here. Wouldn't they argue God said it was his time? Or does that not apply since he "took" his own life instead of "waiting" for God to call him up. :eyebrow: