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Cloud 01-27-2009 08:47 PM

yeah, geesh.

Did anyone see that recent episode of Criminal Minds where they were trying to catch a random freeway shooter before he killed his family? With the twist at the end? Creepy!

Shawnee123 01-27-2009 08:47 PM

There is something so very wrong about you.

TheMercenary 01-27-2009 08:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Clodfobble (Post 527306)
The moral of the story is: try not to marry someone that shallow.

:lol2:

wolf 01-28-2009 12:52 AM

The answer on this one, I think, has much to do with this guy being very screwed up even before he sat down and thought, "You know, I think the best thing to do here is alert the media that I'm killing my whole family and then myself." The real shame of it is that he got the order wrong.

He doesn't seem to be a sad guy who got downsized ... the article says he was fired for cause, so was his wife.

What cause? who knows at this point, probably more will come out about this. You'll have to sort through a bunch of really sad folks who are making themselves feel better by saying things like, "He was always so quiet." "Such a devoted father." "Never had a bad word to say about anyone." etc. etc. etc.

I would suspect drugs or alcohol being involved, and perhaps a long history of some kind of crazy. This stuff never really comes out of the blue. An ocean of shit has likely hit a mountain range's worth of fans over a long period of time, but it's a lot easier to abdicate responsibility than to address this kind of thing.

Clodfobble 01-28-2009 12:27 PM

Right, because if a coworker or neighbor says, "Yeah, everyone could tell that dude was pretty screwed up," then it's like admitting they could have done something to stop him.

Cicero 01-28-2009 01:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wolf (Post 527398)
The answer on this one, I think, has much to do with this guy being very screwed up even before he sat down and thought, "You know, I think the best thing to do here is alert the media that I'm killing my whole family and then myself." The real shame of it is that he got the order wrong.

He's probably had a history. Do you think? :D

Radar 01-28-2009 02:14 PM

They were working for Kaiser. My brother worked there and told me they are a totally fucked up company to work for and they will fire you for nothing. I know there IT department treats techs like they are a dime a dozen and burns them out. I had a couple of colleagues who had formerly worked there.

monster 01-28-2009 03:11 PM

One of our kids' lunchroom supervisors was (allegedly) murdered by her boyfriend yesterday (sometime after lunch but before she was due to pick up her daughter from k-care....).

http://www.mlive.com/news/ann-arbor/...th_of_ann.html

Cicero 01-28-2009 03:41 PM

A fellow contractor finally admitted to me, the burn out with the last company I was with. It was always there, but it had to be over before anyone could say it. Everyone was thinking it......It wasn't just me, everyone was internally shaking their heads, doing a face palm.

Shawnee123 01-28-2009 04:25 PM

I don't think you can ever really foresee those kinds of things. Sure, the signs are there, but those signs exist in many characters we come into contact with; most don't kill their families.

An ex cow orker's wife's ex-fiancee came into her place of employment and shot himself right in front of her. She's a great person, and I think that must haunt her. Sure, she saw signs of instability that made her try to run the other way. He wanted to make sure she felt she had destroyed someone.

Just. Don't. Get. It.

tw 01-28-2009 04:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wolf (Post 527398)
The answer on this one, I think, has much to do with this guy being very screwed up even before he sat down and thought, "You know, I think the best thing to do here is ...

The way I read this is that contributing factors include:
"he was fired for cause, so was his wife"
"suspect drugs or alcohol being involved"
"a long history of some kind of crazy" (ie no treatment for depression)

But the primary reasoning behind his decision might be:
"best thing to do here is alert the media" (ie get attention)
"abdicate responsibility than to address this kind of thing"

Is that a reasonable interpretation? Are there any other typical items to add to that list of possible reasons for his action?

TheMercenary 01-28-2009 04:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wolf (Post 527398)
The answer on this one, I think, has much to do with this guy being very screwed up even before he sat down and thought, "You know, I think the best thing to do here is alert the media that I'm killing my whole family and then myself." The real shame of it is that he got the order wrong.

He doesn't seem to be a sad guy who got downsized ... the article says he was fired for cause, so was his wife.

What cause? who knows at this point, probably more will come out about this. You'll have to sort through a bunch of really sad folks who are making themselves feel better by saying things like, "He was always so quiet." "Such a devoted father." "Never had a bad word to say about anyone." etc. etc. etc.

I would suspect drugs or alcohol being involved, and perhaps a long history of some kind of crazy. This stuff never really comes out of the blue. An ocean of shit has likely hit a mountain range's worth of fans over a long period of time, but it's a lot easier to abdicate responsibility than to address this kind of thing.

What? so it was not just because he had a penis? No way...

Cloud 01-28-2009 06:05 PM

why do "people" kill their families, Merc.

My question wasn't intended as a generalized man-slur, but a response to two or three highly publicized, recent occurrences of this type in which the husband/father committed the crime.

TheMercenary 01-28-2009 06:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cloud (Post 527719)
why do "people" kill their families, Merc.

My question wasn't intended as a generalized man-slur, but a response to two or three highly publicized, recent occurrences of this type in which the husband/father committed the crime.

I have no idea, but I am pretty sure that I can show you that a penis had very little to do with it.

Nirvana 01-28-2009 06:56 PM

Whatever is wrong with the world usually involves a penis....:p






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