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xoxoxoBruce 10-21-2010 03:43 PM

Rather than refute or counterpoint someone's position, it's easier to discredit them by labeling them a ..........., be it liberal, progressive, racist, conservative, left wing, right wing, etc.

SamIam 10-21-2010 03:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Stormieweather (Post 689428)
I think most people have short memories when it comes to politics. Everything that is right/wrong TODAY gets blamed on/credited to those in office TODAY.

It's a pretty thankless job to make changes now whose effects will only be felt years down the road.

If only there wasn't so much greed in the world. :yelgreedy

The other problem is that many Americans are like children, demanding instant gratification. It is unrealistic to expect that government (or anyone else) can fix over night a problem that was 5 years or more in the making.

Shawnee123 10-21-2010 03:55 PM

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Originally Posted by SamIam (Post 689486)
The other problem is that many Americans are like children, demanding instant gratification. It is unrealistic to expect that government (or anyone else) can fix over night a problem that was 5 years or more in the making.

True: our entitlement mentality is certainly not limited just to those wanting handouts.

Urbane Guerrilla 10-23-2010 09:56 PM

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Originally Posted by SamIam (Post 689283)
Yay, Classic! We actually voted for the same thing (OK, I didn't vote for the shiney thing).
[snip]
Wanna go get lots of guns and explosives and hide off the grid somewhere in the mountains while we plan our attack? :love:

Disaster preparedness supplies in the main; guns, to taste, with reloading facilities and about a gazillion primers of every size you use, perhaps even down to the flintlock, flints/flint and a barrelful of old tire weights for melting down into bullets; explosives, in limited quantity and really more for blasting stumps.

And every Firefox book there is.

Darn, I only voted for one: I like the "Congress is corrupt but the Republic will survive them" option too.

When there is overmuch administration and too little of the productive, an organization is out of balance and it will fall. Government is not the productive wealth generator -- it is the administrative overhead. Too much overhead is bad for economic health of both corporations and nations.

Small government imposes but small burden upon wealth generation. This is to be desired, is it not?

[Too many statists have idiotically forgotten this. Do you wonder, now, why I speak as I do?]

Urbane Guerrilla 10-23-2010 09:57 PM

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Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce (Post 689480)
Rather than refute or counterpoint someone's position, it's easier to discredit them by labeling them a ..........., be it liberal, progressive, racist, conservative, left wing, right wing, etc.

When their manifest ideology demonstrates their unwisdom, is it wrong to affix the correct label?

There are some few here who would insist I am not among the wise, but these are people to whom wisdom is a stranger anyway, if what they write is a window into their thought.

Gravdigr 10-24-2010 04:48 AM

Congress!? I'll tell ya what's wrong with Cong---ooh, look, a butterfly!

spudcon 10-24-2010 02:45 PM

Who cares what the party, or if it's bipartisan. If they bankrupt us, they're evil bastards.

xoxoxoBruce 10-31-2010 01:11 AM

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Speaking of evil bastards...

Sundae 10-31-2010 07:48 AM

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Originally Posted by SamIam (Post 689248)
I wonder if some of the enmity here is a reflection of the US political system as a whole - politicians call each other every name in the book, no real dialogue occurs between parties and factions.

As this is an international forum I can't honestly see how it can be a reflection of the US political system.

Pico and ME 10-31-2010 10:13 AM

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Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce (Post 691693)
Speaking of evil bastards...

I am going to be voting with my dollars. Or lack thereof in McDonald's case.

smoothmoniker 10-31-2010 07:11 PM

Rhetoric much?

It wasn't "McDonalds" telling workers what to do, it wasn't a "a multinational corporation like McDonalds threatening it's employees". Those are the grab lines that make for feel-good moral indignation.

It was one franchise owner doing something illegal, which the "evil multinational corporation" immediately disavowed.

Sundae 11-01-2010 01:38 PM

Yebbut...
McDonalds is known worldwide for its heavy-handedness.
I agree with what you've said, but I'd have read the article with far more initial scepticism had it been Ben & Jerry's (for example).

classicman 11-01-2010 04:01 PM

Thanks for the reality-check, smooth.

classicman 11-17-2010 02:52 PM

Excellent blog read...

6 Political Talking Points that Need to Die





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