I guess me too since I'm the one who wasn't emotionally invested.

Time to remove both feet from my mouth. :redface:

Glad to hear different points of view. I'll trade in my broad brush for a fine detail one. It's good to know there are men who don't compartmentalize. And I'm sorry about the 'sociopath' thing. I meant that women are less likely overall to emotionally disconnect, but that isn't how it came out. I apologize.

No need to apologize for describing the view from where you stand. Just be aware there are other views, so not everyone will agree. It's kind of fun getting this emotional travelogue from around the world.

Awww, c'mon, Ortho. You were just getting going.

Someday I'll have to tell you the story of when I worked at a video dating place (after which Lowered Expectations was based, typeface and all)

All I say is there is no such thing as typical, excep,t typically men and women have very unrealistic ideas about what league they are playing in.

I thought it was funny ortho. ;) I don't think anyone else was offended either.

I can only speak from my own experience when I say that I have enjoyed a number of no strings type relationships during my life. Mostly during the time when I was a single mother and had no time or desire to share my life with anyone emotionally, but I still had those same old urges.

We females call them plumbers over here. The bloke you ring when you want someone to come clean out your pipes.

IMO, every woman should have at least one to call on. :)

Actually, I'm gonna be different and thank you for the apology, ortho. I was actually offended. I thought a long time about how to respond to the sociopath comment, but since you apologized, I won't go into it. And you are completely forgiven based on your post.

To add another point of view, I will say, that in my case, the betrayal didn't come from him having a girlfriend or moving on. I was happy for that. My issue comes from someone I considered a friend, someone I trusted so much that I gave him a key to my apt, lied to me. Made me into something I wouldn't have been (the other woman, the one he cheated with) given the choice. In our entire history, when I was with someone else, even just a first date, I let him know. I expected the same respect from him. It's something I won't tolerate from anyone that I consider a friend. It takes a lot for me to open that much because of the betrayals I have lived through. It's why I make a distinction between sex and making love. I have had a lot of sex, but only made love to one person.

Former fuck buddy is not understanding the concept of a clean break. Now he's all upset I don't want to give him the details of my sex-escapades. I don't want that kind of relationship with him anymore. He even admitted he was hoping to have sex with me again. Yes, I get it, I'm awesome in bed, but if you wanted more, you should have given me a bit of romance.

Gah! Now he's saying he wanted to change the relationship but he certainly didn't make any gestures. I'm fed up. I'm done.

I'm unclear on the fuckbuddy/romance boundary. I thought they were in different zip codes?

Well he was saying he wanted more to the relationship.

Ahh!

But this sudden desire for a more meaningful relationship occurred when the casual sex stopped ?

Or is he saying he'd already been leaning that way but just hasn't said anything?

I'm slightly confused :-p

He basically said that he had been hoping it would become something more, but he didn't do or say anything to that regard. At the beginning of the relationship he had specifically said he didn't want anything more than sex. He never amended that statement so I really had no idea. Even when I would try to spend more time with him he was always too busy.

Sounds like a line to keep the sex, if you ask me.

Yeah.