It becomes their neighborhood when they have a stake in it. I'm betting the rioters own no property, no business, no stake.

"Nobody actually burned their own house, right?"

"It becomes their neighborhood when they have a stake in it."

In the context of this thread (my anecdote and Baltimore): 'home' is synonymous with 'town' and 'community'.

As for having a stake: again, 'to burn out the pharmacy where you get your medicines, the grocery where you get your food, and the old folks' homes where your granny lives is craziness.'

But Henry, you've changed the specifics of the situation.

Try stating your case in terms of:
"Mr George is my neighbor cop who beat up my nephew."

"Mr George is my neighbor cop who beat up my nephew."

All more the reason for me to mebbe burn down HIS house (with him in it).

Sure as shit I won't burn down my own, won't burn out the neighbor on the other side of me who has done nuthin.

And: I would still view offers of help from strangers with great suspicion, wondering what they hope to gain ridin’ on the coat tails of MY circumstance.

There's 3 drugstores on every block, but no groceries, you gotta go to whitey's neighborhood for food. Who the fuck can afford to put grannie in a home, she'll die on the sofa in the parlor, where she's been for years.

Bruce, can you post where you got this information ("3 drugstores on every block, but no groceries")?

And: it ain't an old folks home, but a Senior Center got wasted, ya know, where granny goes for bingo.

it's quite amazing henry that you have granted immediate collectivist responsibility to a group of people to the point where their interests are described in ownership terms ("their" house, "their" pharmacy).

~ but you yourself find collective responsibility abhorrent ~

in fact if "your" pharmacy was burning and the fire could be put out with your own water you would say you had no interest in the situation and it is not your business and they should manage their own affairs

Technically, the construction site where granny might eventually have gone for bingo. AND, apparently, might eventually have lived.

Baltimore... Molotov cocktails?

If a man burns down his own home out of anger at another, this is crazy.

If a group of folks burn down their neighborhood (its businesses) out of anger at the cops, this is crazy.

That's my point...thanks for straying from it...thanks for makin' your distaste for me known (again).

The distaste goes both ways, I assure you.

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"in fact if "your" pharmacy was burning and the fire could be put out with your own water you would say you had no interest in the situation and it is not your business and they should manage their own affairs"

Mebbe...but then I wouldn't have started the fire in the first place, so...

Then, again: if that pharmacy was the only one available to me, if I depended on that pharmacy for medicine, I might very well be on the bucket brigade...it's called self interest.

That's cool. Very cool, in fact. I have a fair amount of respect for people who raise children that aren't "their's". Not too long back I saw a 50-ish year old man moved to tears when the 20 year old beside him referred to him as "my dad for all intents and purposes. He's been more of a father to me than my dad ever was."

Good on ya, Mr. Quirk.

As you were, people.

Rioting is an expression of anger with no outlet - and it is not directed inwards at all. Those who see this in terms of inwardly directed destruction, such as burning down one's own house, or destroying one's own community, presuppose a sense of community which includes shops and businesses. For many people, and I would imagine this is particularly acute for young people, their sense of community is much narrower.

Who started the fires, and how those specific people relate to the "they" whose neighborhood it is? Do you know more than has been reported?

The protest drew people from all over the city, not to mention the country. It drew people who supported the cause, and it drew people who just like to riot at protests. We know nothing about the perpetrators.

Essentially, you lied to your nephew.

Should that be interpreted that it is OK to settle grievances against law enforcement,
so long as only the jails, the police stations, cop cars, or local cop's personal houses
... are torched ?

I assure you it doesn't. Respectful disagreement is what I founded this place for. Mature people discuss issues without considering it personal. I will point out flaws in your argument without finding you unworthy, and I will field flaws in my own argument without feeling diminished.

No "mebbe" about it, if this question had come up in any other thread, you'd be demanding that you have no involvement. I'm not being accusatory here, this is your basic philosophy.

Either they are LITERALLY BURNING THEIR OWN PHARMACIES, or you have constructed a shitty analogy that doesn't even jive with your own basic philosophy. I'm going with B.

And it's a straw man. You have created an analogy that makes no sense: why would someone burn down their own house? It's not their house. It's not their pharmacy. It's not their grocery. I know you agree, it's your basic philosophy. So if you still don't understand, that's entirely on you. You wrote the analogy that you don't understand! Why don't you describe the terms more realistically and see if you understand that?