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bmgb	11-03-2003 04:01 PM

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If they want to raise dolphins as livestock and slaughter them for food, I'm fine with that.

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I can't imagine the kind of outcry there would be if dolphins were raised in captivity for food. Especially if they are raised in conditions similar to some cows and pigs in this country. They are enough people against the captivity of dolphins in ZOOS.

As sickening as the blood may look, it's not too different from what you would see on a slaughterhouse floor.

OnyxCougar

11-03-2003 04:20 PM

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Originally posted by bmgb

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I can't imagine the kind of outcry there would be if dolphins were raised in captivity for food. Especially if they are raised in conditions similar to some cows and pigs in this country. They are enough people against the captivity of dolphins in ZOOS.

As sickening as the blood may look, it's not too different from what you would see on a slaughterhouse floor.

It is an animal, and if Sato wants to make his point about it being "just another meat" then they need to raise them just like any other meat.

It is not our place, as citizens of other countries, to make policy decisions for Japan and their food, just like I don't want a person of Hindu persuasion telling me I can't eat cow.

If the Japanese government is following international environmental law, and the Japanese people want to kill dolphins for some tasty fin pudding, who are we, as members of other countries, to tell them they can't or shouldn't?

chrisinhouston

11-03-2003 04:58 PM

There is more at http://www.greenpeacefoundation.com/....cfm?campId=13

Note: user discretion advised, there are several graphic photos

I enjoy sushi and rare tuna steaks but this is not for me.

jtm	11-03-2003 05:04 PM

The argument about Americans being told what to eat is irrelevant. The question is what do the activists eat since they're the one telling the Japanese what not to eat. I wouldn't be surprised the activists are strict vegetarians.

DNK	11-03-2003 05:15 PM

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Originally posted by OnyxCougar

Not such a good point.

To say that westerners eat cows and pigs and therefore (basically) can't say shit about them eating dolphins is not a valid point because we raise the cows and pigs our culture consumes. I don't see dolphin farms in Japan for the cultural consumption by the Japanese. It's apples and oranges.

Apples and oranges:

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http://www.menzelphoto.com/images/ga...env_agr_06.jpg

bmgb	11-03-2003 05:20 PM

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Originally posted by OnyxCougar

It is an animal, and if Sato wants to make his point about it being "just another meat" then they need to raise them just like any other meat.
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Why is it better to kill animals if we've raised them? Is that just another culturally biased judgement you're making?

Oh, and Americans don't just eat animals that we raised, in case you haven't noticed.

Leah	11-03-2003 05:41 PM

Those pictures make me feel absolutely sick in the stomach.
I have never eaten Sushi cause I feel that all meats including fish should be cooked. Plus I know that raw meat such as Kangaroo meat have worms in it. Not that I'd ever eat Kangaroo either. :vomit: :vomit:

OnyxCougar

11-03-2003 06:08 PM

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Originally posted by bmgb

Why is it better to kill animals if we've raised them? Is that just another culturally biased judgement you're making?

Oh, and Americans don't just eat animals that we raised, in case you haven't noticed.

I didn't say it was better, I was responding to Sato's point. He was comparing westerners eating cow to Japanese eating dolphin. I'm saying it's not a correct comparison, because westerners raise cattle for that purpose, whereas Japanese don't.

So I'm not making "another culturally biased judgement".

And I never stated Americans only eat things we raise. That would be an absurd statement.

Thanks for playing.

OnyxCougar

11-03-2003 06:16 PM

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Originally posted by DNK

Apples and oranges:

**pictures of cows and pigs**

I fail to see the point of the post. To show us we slaughter cows and pigs? We knew that.

The difference is we raise cows and pigs for the purpose of eating them, and I DON'T see Japanese raising Dolphins for the purpose of eating them, therefore SATO's point was invalid. That was the apples and oranges.

Thanks for playing.

xoxoxoBruce

11-03-2003 06:43 PM

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who are we, as members of other countries, to tell them they can't or shouldn't?

We are the one that won. They shouldn't be so uppity. :D

OnyxCougar

11-03-2003 06:48 PM

*giggle* You are so cute!

quzah

11-03-2003 07:17 PM

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Originally posted by OnyxCougar

I fail to see the point of the post. To show us we slaughter cows and pigs?

The point is to [mock you for/laugh] at your hypocrisy. Dolphins make you sad. Cows make you hungry. Hypocrisy makes me sick, but that's your right.

The point of showing cows and pigs? The same as killing dolphins. It saddens me greatly. But it's like I've already stated, people suck.

Quzah.

OnyxCougar

11-03-2003 07:23 PM

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Originally posted by quzah

The point is to [mock you for/laugh] at your hypocrisy. Dolphins make you sad. Cows make you hungry. Hypocrisy makes me sick, but that's your right.

I fail to see the hypocrisy in my statements.

*I* wouldn't eat a dolphin, but I do eat cow. I don't eat Octopus, either, but I eat shrimp. I eat steaks and sausage, but won't touch organ meats. It's preference, not hypocrisy.

And how, I wonder, are people getting the idea that I'm not disgusted the slaughter represented in those pictures? I AM disgusted by it, and the point of all of these posts is that Sato's defense of his position was stated from the wrong standpoint.

dave	11-03-2003 07:28 PM

I think the whole bit about raising dolphins for food is absurd. Native Americans didn't raise buffalo. So what? I'd say hunting them is less offensive to the animal kingdom than raising for food, because at least those in the wild have a chance.

What was your point again, Onyx? One that makes sense this time, please.

OnyxCougar

11-03-2003 07:28 PM

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Originally posted by dave
I think the whole bit about raising dolphins for food is absurd. Native Americans didn't raise buffalo. So what? I'd say hunting them is less offensive to the animal kingdom than raising for food, because at least those in the wild have a chance.

What was your point again, Onyx? One that makes sense this time, please.

Did anyone read the quote posted at the beginning of the thread by Sato?

Posted by Whit:

quote:From the article:
"What's wrong with eating dolphins? There are Hindus, Muslims around the world who don't eat beef or pork, but do they tell Europeans not to eat this meat," Sato said. "To impose one's culture on others is to deny the culture of other countries."

Sato makes a good point here. It's sick because of how we feel. His point is pretty damn logical. I would be all for finding a more humane way to kill the dophins if possible, but again that's emotion based thinking.

My reply was to counterpoint Whit's assertion that Sato makes a good point.

Edit for clarity and to try to minimize the effects of my frustration

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