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Radar 03-21-2008 02:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by spudcon (Post 440496)
You tube is loaded with clips from this bigot.Some are from the major networks, some are not. Nonetheless, right after 9/11 this screwball was blaming America for everything from Hiroshima to AIDS.
See for yourself.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=l9HUdF9OZa8

Who cares? Jerry Falwell and Pat Robertson did the same thing. Does that mean all Baptists agree with them?

Let me say this as clearly as I can...

NOTHING REVEREND WRIGHT SAYS HAS ANY CONNECTION WHATSOEVER TO THE POLITICAL VIEWS OF BARACK OBAMA!!!

Anyone who says different is a moron.

Shawnee123 03-21-2008 02:12 PM

:wstupid: It must be true. It's in bold type!

Well then slap my ass and call me a moron.

Off to the Church Of The Honky. This week's sermon is "Mudder Effin' Black People Done Takin Over Our Fine Country." It's OK though, I don't really agree with it. See ya later.

Radar 03-21-2008 02:21 PM

It's true and the truth is highlighted in bold. Have fun at church. Unlike retarded people, I won't assume your political opinions are influenced by the religious sermons being delivered to you.

Shawnee123 03-21-2008 02:28 PM

You're right, they are completely separate. I keep all my emotions, feelings, desires, needs, viewpoints, and opinions very seriously compartmentalized. None of those intangibles are even slightly related to any of the other intangibles. :headshake

Radar 03-21-2008 02:37 PM

I'm glad to hear that. I don't keep everything separate, but I certainly keep my religious views and my political views separate as they are completely unrelated and both are better when they aren't mixed.

Luckily our founders knew that and so did Jesus of Nazareth.

Shawnee123 03-21-2008 02:42 PM

Well, we have your assurance that you are able to keep those things completely separate. Unfortunately, not everyone is you.

Radar 03-21-2008 02:44 PM

True, but more people are like me than like those who think the Obama can be faulted for the political opinions of his pastor.

Shawnee123 03-21-2008 02:45 PM

Cite?

Undertoad 03-21-2008 02:49 PM

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All we see are short clips taken from long sermons over a long period of time. Until someone can tell me what happens during the other 99.9% of the service, I will reserve my full judgment about the Reverend.
This clip shows the context of the angry "America's chickens are coming home to roost" statement:



It's ten minutes and you don't have to watch the whole thing.

But if you do, it'll become very clear that the Rev's statements were edited for maximum impact. And by the end of it, you may even think he's a decent man, as the bulk of the sermon is not ranting about America, but using the events of 9/11 to encourage people to build their personal relationship with their God.


So, PW45, the tapes are for sale? A whisper goes around (a few months ago - I heard it) that even Obama thinks his pastor may be a minor issue for him. So, somebody highly motivated buys all the tapes, and picks out the very worst 30 seconds of sound bites in them. They compile it into a video, and they give that video to Fox News. It's already the length and format they need to make it a 60-second news item during they day, and perfect for the nightly pundits to bite on at will.

It takes a lot of time, planning, and expertise to put together something like that. The videos they are culling from are hours long. It involves video know-how and a certain amount of money committed to the technologies involved. Fox could have done it, but they would have claimed to have done so no matter who did the original footwork. And you have to wonder how highly motivated a Fox writer or reporter is going to be, to go through hours of tapes, made over years. It would probably take a week to do. Those people have actual deadlines to worry about!

It could have been a 527 advocacy group, could have been Hillary, could have been McCain. The timing is only right for Hillary though. It happens in a series of attacks her side has engineered since she fired her previous campaign manager and went on the attack. (In a sort of a shotgun fashion: get a wide enough blast pattern and something is going to hit.) Half of the attacks are direct and traceable; others, such as giving a pic of Obama wearing a weirdly ethnic garment to Drudge, are untraceable but fit the pattern of a campaign on the ropes, using everything they have.

Peter Pumpkinhead put to shame
Governments who would slur his name
Plots and sex scandals failed outright
Peter merely said
"Any kind of love is alright!"



Radar 03-21-2008 03:17 PM

Thanks UT. In the last 20 years, I've been into church exactly twice and both were for funerals. I didn't see any hatred being spread in that sermon. You've helped prove that once again, we've got chickenshit people using chickenshit tactics and taking cheap shots at Obama when he hasn't said or done anything remotely resembling what they accuse him of. This includes mentioning his minister, showing him without his hand on his heart during "America the Beautiful" and claiming it was during a pledge, repeatedly mentioning his middle name, comparing is last name to Osama, showing him in robes while visiting Africa, etc.

freshnesschronic 03-21-2008 03:35 PM

Yeah Radar. Agreed, his reverend does not have anything remotely to do with Obama's politicking. And those chickenshit tactics are just to belittle a very decent, quality man. Skewing videos and thinking he's a Muslim extremist because of his name (which he had no control of and no relevance when he was born) is bullshit.

Shit, I'd wear robes if I were visiting Africa, out of deep respect to the culture.

TheMercenary 03-22-2008 07:41 AM

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Originally Posted by piercehawkeye45 (Post 440052)
I have seen a few exaggerations and even lies told by the Reverend, but nothing he has done is anything different than what Bill O'Reilly has, just that it is coming from another angle.

Why the hypocriticalness? Can we as a nation not accept a different point of views?

What a load of crap for a statement. You don't see the double standard there? O'Reilly is a commentator, not a preacher.

TheMercenary 03-22-2008 07:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Undertoad (Post 440653)
It could have been a 527 advocacy group, could have been Hillary, could have been McCain. The timing is only right for Hillary though. It happens in a series of attacks her side has engineered since she fired her previous campaign manager and went on the attack. (In a sort of a shotgun fashion: get a wide enough blast pattern and something is going to hit.) Half of the attacks are direct and traceable; others, such as giving a pic of Obama wearing a weirdly ethnic garment to Drudge, are untraceable but fit the pattern of a campaign on the ropes, using everything they have.

I agree completely.

piercehawkeye45 03-22-2008 05:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheMercenary (Post 440801)
What a load of crap for a statement. You don't see the double standard there? O'Reilly is a commentator, not a preacher.

They both preach. One just uses 'God' as a justification, one uses truth and news.

Radar 03-22-2008 05:21 PM

Don't ever use the word "truth" in connection to anything Bill O'Reilly says. He's a liar, an asshole, and an idiot just like Lou Dobbs.

TheMercenary 03-22-2008 05:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by piercehawkeye45 (Post 440889)
They both preach. One just uses 'God' as a justification, one uses truth and news.

I consider them both to be nothing more than commentators. They are not much different from each other.

piercehawkeye45 03-22-2008 05:37 PM

I know, I was using both 'truth' and 'news' in a sarcastic manner.

piercehawkeye45 03-22-2008 05:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheMercenary (Post 440893)
I consider them both to be nothing more than commentators. They are not much different from each other.

That was my original point.

TheMercenary 03-22-2008 05:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Radar (Post 440891)
Don't ever use the word "truth" in connection to anything Bill O'Reilly says. He's a liar, an asshole, and an idiot just like Lou Dobbs.

Just like Radar.

TheMercenary 03-22-2008 05:41 PM

Coulter on the otherhand is an idiot.

http://www.myleftwing.com/showDiary.do?diaryId=12893

Radar 03-22-2008 06:25 PM

I never lie for any reason. I don't need to. Lying is for weaklings and cowards like you Merc.

TheMercenary 03-22-2008 07:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Radar (Post 440907)
I never lie for any reason. I don't need to. Lying is for weaklings and cowards like you Merc.

:lol2:

My permit.

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busterb 03-22-2008 07:38 PM

Radar. Would you kiss around on a dick? Hey bud lets not lie? Come on since you never lie and live in the great state. Tells us all you've never lied. And you ran for office! HELLO

Radar 03-22-2008 08:41 PM

1. I never lie.

2. I live in a great state. It's economy surpasses that of most other states combined and is greater than all but a few nations on earth.

3. I didn't say I've never lied, I say I never lie. I've lied in the past, but that was when I was a child. I haven't lied in many years, and none of those were on this board.

4. I did run for office. Perhaps the fact that I don't lie cost me the election. I think it probably had more to do with the fact that I am a white man who was running as a Libertarian in a strictly Democratic district where white people are less than 10% of the population against a 20 year incumbent who is a black female in the Democratic Party and who shows up constantly on the news pulling the race card.

5. I would not kiss around or on or near a dick. A dick and my mouth are never in the same area and aren't likely to be near each other short of some kind of prison gang rape scene and then it would happen after I was knocked unconscious.

TheMercenary 03-22-2008 09:01 PM

:lol2:

You lie, you live in a crap state on the left coast, you don't pay taxes, you support illegal aliens, you think the blacks derailed your election. You would make a great politician!!!! :devil:

Radar 03-23-2008 11:27 AM

1. I don't lie.

2. I live in a great state on the most beautiful coast.

3. I pay taxes.

4. I support the same principles as our founders and welcome all immigrants with open arms with or without papers and demand that my servants in government abide by the Constitution so I ignore unconstitutional laws including all immigration laws.

5. I don't think "blacks" derailed my election. I think I ran in a district where I had no chance of winning. Nobody but a black democrat can win in California's 35th Congressional District, and even then they won't have a chance against the incumbent.

6. The only true thing you said in your entire post was that I'd make a great politician. This is true because of my previous statements; I don't lie, I support the principles that built this nation, I know that freedom is for ALL people, etc.

TheMercenary 03-23-2008 11:32 AM

Poor fella...

spudcon 03-23-2008 09:23 PM

Just a rhetorical note. To those who think Rev wright was quoted out of context, I'm glad to hear that you're taking the blame for AIDS, black poverty, middle east perpetual war, WWII, and all the other ills on this planet. How can Radar call California a great state, when all those white folks out there have ruined the world for everyone?

TheMercenary 03-24-2008 04:44 AM

Note Calif recent cuts in the budget because of the burden of illegal immigartion. See the recent headlines.

Radar 03-24-2008 12:50 PM

The cuts in the budget have nothing to do with immigration. They have to do with the fact that the State (much like the fed) is trying to do everything for everybody. The Democratic controlled Senate won't cut any services, and the Republican Governor won't allow any increased taxes.

When the budget was made, housing in California was doing great and the state projected income based on that. Now that housing is in the toilet, those numbers had to be revised and the state now has less income but the same or higher bills.

Undocumented immigrants (there is no such thing as an illegal immigrant and only liars and morons claim such) aren't closing hospitals, are less likely to commit crimes than those born in America, they do pay taxes, they are coming here to work and not for handouts, and they pay billions and billions more into the system than they use in services.

TheMercenary 03-24-2008 04:13 PM

Poor illegal aliens have to go home for an education now. Poor fellas. The sooner we kick them out the better. Make them come back through the gate.


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