aliantha's inane chatter : interesting discussion

fire extinguisher : fire

Oh right, so the chat police are back.

You must be feeling better about things now then huh?

porridge the way I can make it: yummy breakfast

this thread : life

Last time I stayed in an English hotel (ie on expenses) I was offered whisky on my porridge. Then again, it was Blackpool. Mad Northerners.

Anyway, the original Modest Proposal is about eating children.
Y'all should be relieved we stuck at porridge.

How is it that thread drift is leading to breakfast cereal all of a sudden? Are we hungry?

Well, I like your hair Ali!

I really don't understand PD's seeming fascination with the Cellar.

I have no desire whatsoever to forge any closer ties (comedic or otherwise) with them. Nice people I'm sure, on the whole, but they blew a storm of shit through our doors the last time they came by and left their psycho troll behind when they left.

*sigh*

Arafelis, you're never going to be major league, if this is all you have. You might want to try 4chan, or Fanfiction.com....they're more your speed.

You mean these streams? Oh, whoops. I hope nothing bad will happen.

Exposition: Arafelis here is a new member to PD.com who it seems has been, only semi-successfully trying to stir the the shit. Deciding this was too big a job to do alone, he decided to come here and recruit you be his lackeys in what was probably the most transparent ploy since the CIA's "exploding clam" gambit against Castro.

Naturally, you all saw through it, even if you didn't know the precise backstory.

Personally, I don't care too much per se about the relationship between PD.com and The Cellar (which is probably bad, since I'm an admin. I'm kind of like that cool teacher, who let you slack off in class, or sit where you wanted, in that respect). I come here on the occasions when I'm free and have nothing to do, and no more.

I'm pretty disappointed in Arafelis, actually. Not just because he thought you were all stupid enough to be his flunkies for no apparent reason, but because he also thought we wouldn't find this out. Its a good rule of thumb to not underestimate people.

There isn't one. Three or four members still frequent the place on a semi-frequent basis, and AFAIK no-one else cares. As with above, I tend to let them run around and do as they please, so long as its not illegal, but I wouldn't assume this was necessarily an organized or board-wide phenomenon.

What shit was that? The sarfari? And which troll? "We" didn't collectively do anything, if individuals decided to do something, then "we" have little power over them except for the art of persuasion. You may be familiar with the concept of herding cats.

WOW!
Administrator and ALL!
Even lets people sit where they choose!

Thanks for the info, Kaliayev.

Wait, did arafelis use the same username on both fora? hmmm.

I avoid the troll threads and flame wars, but I think folks are referring to Tiki.

I missed the safari, but I get the impression it was not a great success for either party.

You'd be surprised how many people I have complain at me, or TGGR, or one of the other three that we should rein users in or stop them [doing that thing which is annoying them]. I know this place is pretty lax in that respect, but I felt it worth pointing out since some people don't seem to get it.

No problem.

He did indeed. You suspect someone playing games by pretending to be him? He's owned up on both boards, but if that had been the case, I'd be much more impressed with what happened.

Ah. Well I think its a bit harsh referring to her as a troll. Trolling is disruption with intent, and if anything, I would say Lumberjim's continual goading of her was more intentionally disruptive. But YMMV and all that.

It didn't go brilliantly, no.

My mileage varies by...well, miles!

It had more to do with the screaming and "fucking off" to anyone with any suggestions or advice. I did reach out to Tiki...until she screamed at a couple more of my friends. I still don't DISLIKE her, but I don't live with that kind of thing IRL (gave it up 6 years ago) and won't live with it on the intrawebz.

Oh yes, I will go off completely, but not at someone who is just trying to help.

FWIW...how do you guys read anything over there? I wanted to actually participate in the forum, give it a shot (I was not a Safari participant) but I can't tell posts from outside quotes from user titles from advertisements (of little boy computer games) from user quotes from pics from animated GIFs. It's really confusing. What was funny was that I read that the cellar has no substance, because we often link to websites as citation or out of interest, or something to that effect. HA! We don't need all the little fillers that are distracting from the words.

But, YMMV.

Oh, and one more question: Are we the Sharks, or are we the Jets? I'm having my costume made. ;)

Shawnee, you know perfectly well we are the Sholphins.

Oh yeah! Where the hell am I going to get THAT costume?

Your boy came over here indicating/hinting that he has posted here in the past. Probably under another name. Would anyone here be surprised? Absolutely not.

Oh and Tiki - I'll not bite my tongue this time. I did that before. Fuck her psychobitch ass and the broom she rode in on.

Yeah, while reading this last night I wondered who this "new" dwellar actually is, in Cellar terms.

Something is rotten in the state of Denmark, if'n you axe me.

(wink wink, nudge nudge) .... your stupid ass right out the door.

I, for one, welcome our new Classicman With the Attitude.

Give 'em hell, Classic. ;)

The first time I really noticed Tiki was when she started a shit stirring thread against Lj. My second encounter with her was when she threw my well-meant advice back in my face and told me to fuck off. Lj made several attempts to be gently humorous and even explicitly told her that he was joshing her that no actual offence was meant and it's just his sense of humour. She took that to mean he's a jerk, a bad person and had a problem with her personally. He barely had to raise his hand for her to bite it off. She seemed completely surprised and dismayed that he would wish to defend his wife when Tiki attacked her repeatedly: this was the only time as I recall that Lj got serious with her. Prior to that she was choosing (wilfully in my opinion) to take the negative from anything Lj, Undertoad, Shawnee, Jinx, Clod or indeed myself said to her. There's a very fine line between feeling attacked and playing the martyr.

That's a lot for me to say about somebody. I very rarely express such negativity about anyone on these boards, even when we've clashed. Again, I don't necessarily think she's a bad lass. She's got a lovely side to her as well. But she seemed to court drama whilst here and in doing so created a shit storm that I really didn't appreciate. Lj can be a bugger at times. But I've seen him rip someone apart whose really got to him, and that wasn't the case here. he pulled back with her time and again. Offered an olive branch on at least one occasion after the initial unpleasantness when they clashed at the start. She was unwilling to accept his goodwill and instead chose to bear a very vocal and re-occuring grudge. There are others who have done the same, and frankly I have no time for it. Once an argument is done, then let it be done.

I'm sure she's a lovely person. I certainly don't harbour any great dislike of her. I still think she's a very talented writer. But she was utterly disruptive to this board and her hostility levels were off the scale.

You and that asshole can certainly go back to where you came from and quit trying to stir up shit here. We can do that on our own quite nicely. Or you can hang out and post with the rest of us.

and you know about my continual goading of tiki because that's what she told you I did? or did you actually witness the continual goading?

*smiles* I don't think he's trying to stir shit. I think he's attempting to be diplomatic. Misguided but well-meant I suspect.

Agreed. Accepting his POV is not that of the Cellar I think his post is reasonable and well-mannered.

I don't agree with everything written, but it's not deliberately inflammatory. At least he didn't say anything about Ali's arse.

... sorry girls, but "birds of a feather" and all that

Now classic...DOWN boy.

This one wasn't trollish. ;)

I wasn't talking about him. I'm just saying that I'm skeptical now of any "person" coming over from PD.
So far we've had TGRR, PsychoTiki, Colonel Mustard(or something), and a couple more ... You pickin' up what I'm puttin' down?

I had to, I was tripping over it.

I know, but remember there are non PDs who you thought were PDs...just sayin.

I blame the Cellar, not PD, for getting all butthurt when we're picked on.

We must face it, we're a bunch of goddamn pussies.

'member way back when we got a couple of guys from the demise of AG? Good times, good times.

Hey, you kids, get offa my lawn!

Don't even mention AudioGalaxy in the same breath as you amateurs. None of you pansies ever got a tattoo of your website.

I'm completely lost. and I kind of love it.

Hey! (yells to Bri) Over here! (waves hand)

Bruce, that picture is awesome. I think I'm going to start telling people that.

"Fuck you. I'm an anteater."

I only got drips and drabs of this whole tempest. I am an island unto myself even on a board of islanders. If this place was Gilligan's Island, I'd be on the Other Side of the Island - with the cannibals.

I like to think of us as a "kinder, gentler" forum. A thousand points of contention, and all that.

Yes, I was tempted to make that connection.. I thought it might improve the tone of the thread.
I'm not sure I agree with your conclusion, but granting it for the sake of argument, I don't believe your statement is true. By the very nature of pussy-tude, pussies can never actually face the fact that they're pussies. That would be a very difficult and self-critical thing to do. I submit that, by its nature, such a realization is un-pussy-ish. If we are a bunch of pussies, the last thing we will do is face that fact.

We have some Dwellars whose origins I have never determined who have a far brasher and ruder style than I am comfortable with. But are deemed acceptable and even amusing.

I feared Tiki was going to be one of them.
I was selfishly and sneakily relieved when other people noticed too (I had her pegged when she dissed UT).

Then again, I don't even see the Cellar as my local neighbourhood bar.
I see it as my local Englisshe Tea Shoppe, all cream scones and strychnine in the jam and don't trust the natives or startle the horses.
Tea and shibboleths, anyone?
Beneath this liberal exterior beats the heart of a true daughter of the Empire, xenophobic and reactionary and no that's not raspberry sorbet I really do have blood on my chin...

Just sayin'
Just because I'm nominally polite, does not make me a pussy.

It isn't about feeling all hurt and wounded Toad. It's about not wanting someone smearing shit on the walls or rolling in drunk and picking fights with the locals. Sure, we can handle it if we have to. But we don't necessarily want to.

Well it might depend what browser you are using, in part, as well as the forum skin. I use Firefox, with the forum default. But usually, the quotes are in the shaded blue boxes. Most people post a link first, then a quote and then a comment if its an outside article. The accounts are pretty customizable and signatures are whatever is below the dull grey line you see in someone's post.

Its well worth checking out the skins, to see which one works for you. I find the default one works quite nicely, but others prefer the darker screen version or the YaBB one. Its a matter of personal taste, ultimately.

Well he's only my boy by association, and even then I wish that wasn't the case right now.

If he was here under a past name, you could probably ask Undertoad or the mods to run an IP/hostname check to be sure. AFAIK he isn't especially net savvy, so chances are if he was here before, it wasn't using a proxy.

I have no indication to suggest he has been, other than your suspicions. If I did, I'd offer it, but everything he has said, your quoted segment aside, has suggested to me this is his first time here.

I haven't messed with it much, I'll admit.

Thanks for the info!

Its all that funny cheese they eat. Horrible stuff.

I read a comment (at PD) regarding that user (too lazy to look up right now, Applesasselfassel or whatever) and someone at PD was saying he had the same IP as someone from the Cellar who was previously Red Shirt Reilly on PD.

Just puttin' some info out there, my investigation had been cursory, and out of curiosity. I wouldn't know how to find an IP address if it bit me on the leg.

I would, however, be interested in who the big fat liar is. I hate liars. Pet peeve of mine. ;) Sure would want to know WHO ELSE not to trust.

If I was stirring shit here, let me assure you that you, everyone else on this board, and probably people within a five mile vicinity of every poster here would be aware of it. Its a talent.

I also don't respond well to demands, especially of the either/or variety. I'll post here as and when I like, on the topics I like and you, unfortunately, will have no bearing on how I decide to do that.

Sorry. Well, I'm not really, but you know, politeness and all that.

There's a wonderful thing called a search function, which allows you to go through an indviduals posts. I coupled it with my ability to read.

Strange, but then I can be like that.

I'm not sure how he even came to that conclusion, to be honest.

I mean, really, I could be an arrogant dickwad, if he wanted, but frankly I don't see what's in it for me.

I don't even think I've responded to Ali. Not even once. Why would I have any opinion on her?

You seem a very reasonable chap Kali.
IMO Tiki was too agressive/ tightly wound for this forum.
I know as soon as I dipped my toe into yours that I wouldn't fit.
I would not expect someone from here to defend me if I'd tried to shoehorn my way in.

This joker (Arafelis) aside, we're best not to assume there's a common link between two VERY different forums, surely?

ETA - I was referring to TGGR's rude comments re spotty bots.

Interesting. Does this mean I can pick a random member of the Cellar, take their personal likes and dislikes and then project them onto everyone who posts here?

You may want to look into logical fallacies. This one is called "guilt by association." Learning what a logical fallacy is and how people use them to try and get others to accept fallacious arguments helps sharpen critical thinking skills no end. And that is a gift no money can buy.

Our forum moves much more s.l.o.w.l.y. than yours.
And is much less personal.

You can come here and critique every single post you don't like.
Quickly.
Although "we" were denigrated for that on "your" forum.

Or you can assess the overall mood and respond then.

Or you can decide we're a slow bunch of lamers you should never have got involved with.

Or whatever.
I just think it's unlikely you will stick around because you have commitments in a place you feel at home in. And it's sort of a shame. Because we like articulate, intelligent people. Well, I do, anyway, and that's all I can say.

But if you're here to pick, it just doesn't benefit anyone. We could go to PD and do the same thing - but why, when it's not the place we want ot be?

So, where exactly in the UK do you live, K?

If you really live there. Hmmm? Hmmmm?

Seriously, I'm starting to think all these people are here and there the same people, mixed in with other previous people.

A response to this comment would be nice, but never mind, just ignore
me.

This whole "fake user" crap is really starting to piss me off. I thought I didn't have a life; I pale in comparison.

Mods, UT? Let us in, who are the frucking fakes? Who is the same as who? Who is stirring shit pretending to be someone else.

Jesus fucking Christ in a fucking bucket.

Sometimes I feel a similar way when it comes to PDs reactions to trolls.

Oh man. I'm almost at a loss for words as to how to describe that. Makes me want to make an Encyclopedia Dramatica article especially for them.

If they don't already have one, which is entirely likely.

Well, the IP was traced back to the same city as a Cellar user who had posted on PD before. Someone jumped to a conclusion. It was a mistake, but an honest one, and I'm sure they know this is the case by now.

Well mods can normally see a user's IP, and specialist sites of varying qualities can trace it back to a general geographic location. Anything more refined would have to come from the ISP.

So, where exactly in the UK do you live, K?

If you really live there. Hmmm? Hmmmm?

Seriously, I'm starting to think all these people are here and there the same people, mixed in with other previous people.

A response to this comment would be nice, but never mind, just ignore
me.


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I read a comment (at PD) regarding that user (too lazy to look up right now, Applesasselfassel or whatever) and someone at PD was saying he had the same IP as someone from the Cellar who was previously Red Shirt Reilly on PD.

Just puttin' some info out there, my investigation had been cursory, and out of curiosity. I wouldn't know how to find an IP address if it bit me on the leg.

I would, however, be interested in who the big fat liar is. I hate liars. Pet peeve of mine. Sure would want to know WHO ELSE not to trust.

This whole "fake user" crap is really starting to piss me off. I thought I didn't have a life; I pale in comparison.

Mods, UT? Let us in, who are the frucking fakes? Who is the same as who? Who is stirring shit pretending to be someone else.

Jesus fucking Christ in a fucking bucket.

Thank you. Maybe, she is fairly aggressive as a person, but I don't necessarily think that's a bad thing.

Well, Arafelis seems to think our forums are more similar than not...but his judgement doesn't exactly seem to be firm at the moment, does it?

Well this is my style of posting. I like to deal with people as individuals, on a one to one basis. It might look like nitpicking, but its a structured way to deal with multiple people, I find.

I have posted here constructively before, but honestly I don't have much time, partly due to my commitments elsewhere and due to work. When I have the time, I pop in and comment on what I find interesting, but that aside...yeah.

OK, then...MODS?

Who is Arafelis, or rather, whose IP address is in the same geographic location as Applesauce?

Does Kalypallywally live in the geographic location of the UK?

Who else here is a liar, by geographic location?

How many Dwellars, by geographic location, are interchangeable with the PDs?

Did they post a correction, or is that just a ploy to scare people?

Really, so many full of shit...let's get some real answers here.

Perhaps the reason we seem like pussies is everyone is pussyfooting around this issue with IP addresses (Oh, excuse me, geographic location.)

Is there some unwritten ethic (Oh NOES, we can't reveal secret troll identities, I mean, geographic locations.)

Balls and honesty...can we get some? :headshake:

I'm sick of it, anyone else? Either it's easy to figure out, or it's impossible. Either way, no one can just lay it on the line.