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wolf 10-10-2009 07:17 AM

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Originally Posted by classicman (Post 600242)
He was in office for a whole two weeks when he was nominated.:eyebrow:

Still better him than, say Ahmajinedad. :eek:

Interestingly, I think that had Ahmajinedad won the same people who mindlessly praise Obama would have been equally joyous. (Incidentally, what about him being Jewish, eh? you think he's a sleeper who is there to make sure that the Apocalypse comes to pass in this generation? Speaking of which this whole Obama/Peace Prize thing ... could be evidence of my theory that he is the Biblical Antichrist).

I need more sleep. The stress is getting to me.

Spexxvet 10-10-2009 08:17 AM

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Originally Posted by wolf (Post 600245)
Interestingly, I think that had Ahmajinedad won the same people who mindlessly praise Obama would have been equally joyous. ....

I don't think so.:headshake

I'm amused that so many anti-Obama-ans-ites appear to blame Obama for this, as though he nominated himself, then he gave himself the award. It seems to me that he was a victim of circumstances!:p The prize was forced on him because he's half African American. This never would have happened to a fully European American man. ;)

casimendocina 10-10-2009 08:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Undertoad (Post 600074)
This is the Nobel I'm slightly smarter and better then you prize. But they gave the prize to Arafat. They gave the prize to Kissinger. It's a meaningless prize.


Not always meaningless (i.e. Nelson Mandela), but F. W. De Klerk can be added to the Arafat, Kissinger questionable list of winners.

spudcon 10-10-2009 10:50 AM

I really don't care, because it(Nobel Prize) has become irrelevant. But I do care about the world hug. I get the heeby geebies thinking about the STDs that crowd would transmit.

richlevy 10-10-2009 11:50 PM

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Originally Posted by spudcon (Post 600267)
I really don't care, because it(Nobel Prize) has become irrelevant. But I do care about the world hug. I get the heeby geebies thinking about the STDs that crowd would transmit.

If you're worried about STDs from a hug, then you're doing it wrong.;)

classicman 10-11-2009 06:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Spexxvet (Post 600253)
I'm amused that so many anti-Obama-ans-ites appear to blame Obama for this,

Bullshit! Flag!

Griff 10-11-2009 08:13 AM

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Originally Posted by classicman (Post 600369)
Bullshit! Flag!

Upon further review, there is no foul.

classicman 10-11-2009 04:00 PM

??? I haven't seen anyone blaming Obama. There are many who don't think it is/was deserved, but no one actually blaming him.

Booth review - The play stands.

Radar 10-11-2009 06:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Clodfobble (Post 599999)
Figured I'd start this thread before Merc could. :)

Obama wins Nobel Peace Prize




Honestly, I think it's ballsy, but ultimately meaningless. I will note that they sure do spend a lot of time using the prize as a political slap in the face to George W. Bush--first Jimmy Carter in 2002, then Al Gore in 2005, and now Barack Obama.


I don't think any of those was a slap in the face to George W. Bush. All of these men did a lot to earn their Nobel Prizes, especially Al Gore for exposing that man-made global warming isn't a theory, an idea, a concept, or as idiots claim.... a fraud, a hoax, etc. Man-made global warming is an indisputable scientific fact. It is an undeniable and irrefutable truth that we must take drastic action to fix, or face our own destruction.

Contrary to what some idiots claim, Barack Obama actually has done a lot to promote peace in the world through what he's already done in such a short time. Merely reversing the horrific foreign policy of the Bush administration should earn him this, but ordering the closure of Gitmo, coming out against the use of torture for interrogation, ending the Iraq war, and bringing home or re-assigning most of the troops that were there, choosing to talk with other nations rather than telling them to comply or get sanctions and bombs, etc.

The actions of President Obama promote peace both here and abroad, including his valuable work on health care reform in America.

The true colors of these scumbag neocons really shows when the President of America wins the Nobel Peace Prize and rather than saying, "Hooray, a sitting American president won the single most prestigious, important, and meaningful honor on earth!!!" and being happy for America, they talk shit about him. They did the same thing when he tried to bring the Olympics to America, including the thousands of jobs, billions of dollars, international prestige and good will, etc. They hoped that another country would get it and cheered when America didn't.

Clearly these idiots hate President Obama more than they love America. They are like the so-called Palestinian people who hate Jews more than they love their own children. They'd cut off their nose just to spite their face. They are bitter, nasty, pathetic, and unpatriotic losers.

Shawnee123 10-11-2009 07:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Radar
The true colors of these scumbag neocons really shows when the President of America wins the Nobel Peace Prize and rather than saying, "Hooray, a sitting American president won the single most prestigious, important, and meaningful honor on earth!!!" and being happy for America, they talk shit about him. They did the same thing when he tried to bring the Olympics to America, including the thousands of jobs, billions of dollars, international prestige and good will, etc. They hoped that another country would get it and cheered when America didn't.

Clearly these idiots hate President Obama more than they love America. They are like the so-called Palestinian people who hate Jews more than they love their own children. They'd cut off their nose just to spite their face. They are bitter, nasty, pathetic, and unpatriotic losers.

Yeah, that's how I feel. Nice post Radar.

Radar 10-11-2009 07:25 PM

Thanks Shawnee. These guys want President Obama fail at anything so badly, they don't care whether America loses, as long as he loses too.

Shawnee123 10-11-2009 07:28 PM

I've said that all along. To me, that is the ultimate in illness, that being right is more important than hoping this will be the best thing for our country, for our progeny, for us. No, we'd rather see "fail" because we get to say "I told you so." Sad, is what that attitude is.

Clodfobble 10-11-2009 09:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Radar
I don't think any of those was a slap in the face to George W. Bush... Merely reversing the horrific foreign policy of the Bush administration should earn him this,

See what you did there?

Radar 10-11-2009 10:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Clodfobble (Post 600456)
See what you did there?

You might have a point if awarding a peace prize to a man that reverses the foreign policy of a war monger who started unwarranted, unprovoked, unreasonable, and unconstitutional wars of aggression against nations that posed no harm to our own were a slap in the face of that war monger. It is not.

Rewarding someone for reversing failed policies isn't a slap in the face of the person who made the failed policies. It is merely kudos to the person who got us back on the right track. In this case, it's kudos to the person who is taking steps to make less enemies, to calm existing enemies caused by the previous administration, and to take a more reasonable and intelligent approach to foreign relations. In other words, the Nobel Peace Prize went to a deserving person who has taken real steps toward increasing World Peace.

Flint 10-11-2009 10:56 PM

total tail post
 
If someone would be kind enough to tell me...

Is there anyone (anyone at all) who thinks this was a good idea?

I mean, they were ripping him a new asshole on the day this was announced--and that was on NPR!

bluecuracao 10-12-2009 12:27 AM

So far as I can tell, there's me, Shawnee, and Radar who think it was.

From what I've seen in the news, Obama's diplomatic efforts thus far have already gone a long way to repairing the damage that Bush and his administration had inflicted on the world. He's been spending a lot of time overseas talking with various people, and apparently, it's made a great impression. There's really no reason I can think of not to be happy about it.

xoxoxoBruce 10-12-2009 01:17 AM

Haven't you heard?
When Obama went over there, they said, Look Dude, don't be greedy, it's either the Olympics or Nobel Prize, you can't have both.

Obama said, Fuck Chicago, show me the money. :lol2:

Griff 10-12-2009 05:50 AM

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Originally Posted by bluecuracao (Post 600469)
From what I've seen in the news, Obama's diplomatic efforts thus far have already gone a long way to repairing the damage that Bush and his administration had inflicted on the world.

True dat.

classicman 10-12-2009 07:46 AM

All of that is true and some of what Obama ha done have made positive changes in the world view. He was nominated a long time ago and that is the only issue I have. What exactly was he nominated for at that point in time, not the current one.

Shawnee123 10-12-2009 07:52 AM

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Since World War II, the Peace Prize has principally been awarded to honour efforts in four main areas: arms control and disarmament, peace negotiation, democracy and human rights, and work aimed at creating a better organized and more peaceful world.
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Myth: The prize is awarded to recognize efforts for peace, human rights and democracy only after they have proven successful.

More often, the prize is awarded to encourage those who receive it to see the effort through, sometimes at critical moments

Sigh.

Please, by all means, continue :bitching:

classicman 10-12-2009 07:56 AM

gotcha.

Shawnee123 10-12-2009 08:00 AM

;)

Undertoad 10-12-2009 08:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Nobel's will posted by jinx two days ago
(the peace prize should be awarded) to the person who shall have done the most or the best work for fraternity among nations, for the abolition or reduction of standing armies and for the holding and promotion of peace congresses.


Radar 10-12-2009 08:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Flint (Post 600463)
If someone would be kind enough to tell me...

Is there anyone (anyone at all) who thinks this was a good idea?

I mean, they were ripping him a new asshole on the day this was announced--and that was on NPR!


I, and many others, including the Nobel Prize committee think it was a good idea. President Obama deserved the honor for the work he's already done to promote peace throughout the world.

It not only honors the work he's done, it will keep the world's attention on him to ensure that he keeps his promises for further change in America's long failed foreign policy. It will keep President Obama's feet to the fire.

Radar 10-12-2009 08:20 AM

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Originally Posted by classicman (Post 600482)
All of that is true and some of what Obama ha done have made positive changes in the world view. He was nominated a long time ago and that is the only issue I have. What exactly was he nominated for at that point in time, not the current one.

He was nominated in February with tons of other people, but the voting wasn't until September.

Shawnee123 10-12-2009 08:23 AM

And so he has. "The most or best work..." Didn't say y'all had to like the work.

Redux 10-12-2009 08:43 AM

While I still think it is a stretch, I can see compelling reasons for the award.

In the past, it has often been based on policies and promises rather than results and a strong case can be made that Obama's campaign promises and early policies promoted a set of values that certainly meet the objectives of the award.

I further agree with Radar that the mocking of the award by many on the right, like the cheering when Chicago lost the Olympic bid, serves no purpose other than to pander to the conservative republican base.

xoxoxoBruce 10-12-2009 09:16 AM

You mean the critics are playing......... wait for it.................... base-ball. :rolleyes:

Henry 10-12-2009 09:20 AM

There's been as much mocking from the center and left, and I'm not sure it's true that such mockery is only disingenuous when it emits from the right. The mockery is directed at the selection committee, less so at Obama.

The squirrelly selection process exhibited by the Nobel Peace Prize selection committee over the years, decades actually, has served to render the award virtually meaningless. This becomes particularly graphic when you review the resumes of those who weren't selected in a given year. Obama ought not receive criticism in that there is no evidence he sought or lobbied for this award.

Underscoring the mockery, regardless of from whence it comes on the political spectrum, is growing resentment of the way virtually everything is becoming politicized and thereby rendered meaningless.

Where have you gone, Joe Dimaggio?
A nation turns its lonely eyes to you...


America, and the rest of the world, needs and seeks heroes. Unfortunately, we can remove "Nobel Peace Prize" from the list of potential identifiers.

Redux 10-12-2009 09:31 AM

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Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce (Post 600509)
You mean the critics are playing......... wait for it.................... base-ball. :rolleyes:


"There's no crying in baseball"


Nor should there be childish whining when the other team (and the league as a whole) wins.

Or cheering when the other team (and the league) lose (the olympic bid) to a foreign team.

Redux 10-12-2009 09:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Henry (Post 600512)
There's been as much mocking from the center and left, and I'm not sure it's true that such mockery is only disingenuous when it emits from the right. The mockery is directed at the selection committee, less so at Obama.

I've seen justifiable questioning and skepticism and criticism from across the spectrum.

The childish and petulant mocking has been much more limited.

Flint 10-12-2009 10:08 AM

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Originally Posted by bluecuracao (Post 600469)
From what I've seen in the news, Obama's diplomatic efforts thus far have already gone a long way to repairing the damage that Bush and his administration had inflicted on the world. He's been spending a lot of time overseas talking with various people, and apparently, it's made a great impression. There's really no reason I can think of not to be happy about it.

I didn't think the prize was designed to reward nations for improving their "image" in the world.

Nice speeches and vaporware are nice, but that's what politicians do. When the same guy that made that "great impression" does something like snub the Dalai Lama to appease the Chinese, are we supposed to think this is champion of human rights? It makes me think, maybe he should have gotten a prize for writing great-sounding speeches...

classicman 10-12-2009 11:06 AM

but he didn't write them Flint.

Henry 10-12-2009 11:25 AM

I'd like to end world hunger, bring about world peace, find homes for all the orphaned puppies and kittens and all the little chirruns, too.

Nominations for the 2010 Nobel Peace Prize are due in by February 1, 2010. PM me for last name and other required information.

Shawnee123 10-12-2009 11:31 AM

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Originally Posted by classicman (Post 600533)
but he didn't write them Flint.

Hey, you mean Bush could have had someone else writing his speeches all along and he wouldn't have looked like a complete dumbass? You mean he might have looked kind of intelligent? You mean everyone else on earth wouldn't have pointed and laughed and said "wtF were those Americans thinking?" Oh well, hindsight being 20/20 and all, or in Bush's case maybe .020/.020 cents.

:lol:

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Originally Posted by Henry (Post 600538)
I'd like to end world hunger, bring about world peace, find homes for all the orphaned puppies and kittens and all the little chirruns, too.

Nominations for the 2010 Nobel Peace Prize are due in by February 1, 2010. PM me for last name and other required information.

You were beat to that joke, by Queenie. See post # 33. But thanks for playing along at home!

Henry 10-12-2009 11:45 AM

Joke? I was quite serious.

Shawnee123 10-12-2009 11:49 AM

Until someone offers to actually nominate you! Then you're askeered! :)

Henry 10-12-2009 12:00 PM

How could I fail to be nominated with good intentions such an end to world hunger, a world at peace, and homes for orphaned puppies, kittens, and children.

You underestimate how much Norwegians like puppies.

classicman 10-12-2009 12:12 PM

You aren't Obama!


Sorry shaw, I couldn't resist.

classicman 10-12-2009 12:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Shawnee123 (Post 600539)
Hey, you mean Bush could have had someone else writing his speeches all along ...

He did, and you damn well know it. The engrish ranuage wasn't his strong suit.

Henry 10-12-2009 12:13 PM

http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c68/gren_/HENRY.jpg

Spexxvet 10-12-2009 12:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Henry (Post 600542)
How could I fail to be nominated with good intentions such an end to world hunger, a world at peace, and homes for orphaned puppies, kittens, and children.

You underestimate how much Norwegians like puppies.

If this is Henry Kissinger, you've already won once, you prize-glutton.

Psst - The Nobel Foundation is based in Sweden, not Norway. You have to know that to win.;)

Flint 10-12-2009 12:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Flint (Post 600522)
It makes me think, maybe he should have gotten a prize for writing great-sounding speeches...

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Originally Posted by classicman (Post 600533)
but he didn't write them Flint.

It makes me think, maybe he should have gotten a prize for...having a nice speaking voice???

Shawnee123 10-12-2009 12:31 PM

I'm up for the Nobel Brouhaha Prize.

Spexxvet 10-12-2009 12:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Shawnee123 (Post 600553)
I'm up for the Nobel Brouhaha Prize.

How about the Nobel Leebutton Prize?

TheMercenary 10-12-2009 12:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Spexxvet (Post 600253)
The prize was forced on him because he's half African American. This never would have happened to a fully European American man.

:lol2:

Shawnee123 10-12-2009 12:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Spexxvet (Post 600554)
How about the Nobel Leebutton Prize?

Quit pushin' mah buttons.

TheMercenary 10-12-2009 01:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Shawnee123 (Post 600539)
Hey, you mean Bush could have had someone else writing his speeches all along and he wouldn't have looked like a complete dumbass?

No. I am not sure he could read, we already know about his poor speaking skills. :3eye:

Shawnee123 10-12-2009 01:09 PM

Yabbut, didn't he read something about goats, once? Where's tw? :)

Henry 10-12-2009 01:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Spexxvet (Post 600549)
Psst - The Nobel Foundation is based in Sweden, not Norway. You have to know that to win.;)

wikipee:

"It is also unclear why Nobel wished the Peace Prize to be administered in Norway. The Norwegian Nobel Committee speculates that Norway may have been better suited to awarding the prize as it did not have the same militaristic traditions as Sweden and that at the end of the nineteenth century the Norwegian parliament had become closely involved in the Inter-Parliamentary Union's efforts to resolve conflicts through mediation and arbitration."

This explains why I have Albert Einstein's support for the award and you do not. Hah!

Shawnee123 10-12-2009 01:17 PM

http://nobelprize.org/nobelfoundatio...org_090915.pdf

Stockholm. That be in Sweden, no?

Of course, I wouldn't want to cast aspersions at Wikipedia!

Henry 10-12-2009 01:23 PM

There are many Nobel prizes, of course - economics, science, etc. - and the overall Nobel Foundation is in Sweden, but the Peace Prize selection committee operates out of Norway.

"All Nobel Prizes are awarded in Stockholm, Sweden, except for the Nobel Peace Prize, which is awarded in Oslo, Norway."

http://nobelprize.org/nobel_prizes/p...hortfacts.html

Shawnee123 10-12-2009 01:24 PM

Ahhh, jase, now I see.

--Inga

Henry 10-12-2009 01:45 PM

I wouldn't belabor the point except to the extent that I've received an inside tip that the selection committee is impressed with multiple nominations of the same individual or organization. I wouldn't want you mailing your nomination of me to the wrong city.

TheMercenary 10-12-2009 01:58 PM

Yea, from what I have heard Hamid Karzai was Obama's campaign manager to win the nomination for the Peace Prize. Maybe that is why he is waiting so long to send those needed troops to Afghanistan...

Shawnee123 10-12-2009 02:26 PM

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Originally Posted by TheMercenary (Post 600576)
Yea, from what I have heard Hamid Karzai was Obama's campaign manager to win the nomination for the Peace Prize. Maybe that is why he is waiting so long to send those needed troops to Afghanistan...

:p

What ARE you smokin', dude?

Pie 10-12-2009 02:27 PM

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We overlooked the obvious...

TheMercenary 10-12-2009 02:57 PM

:D ok, that's one thing. What else? :)

TheMercenary 10-12-2009 03:05 PM

http://z.about.com/d/politicalhumor/...axis_nobel.jpg

http://politicalhumor.about.com/od/a...s-of-Nobel.htm

elSicomoro 10-12-2009 03:10 PM

"Just to fuck with conservatives, Obama should give the Nobel Prize money to ACORN."--Lee Papa (The Rude Pundit)


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