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DanaC 05-21-2011 05:35 PM

She's also stated that she came here thinking it was a different kind of board and has gone to seek what she wants from other specialist sites.

Also, though this board is located in the US, the poster in question is a UK resident and as such is completely legal at 17. The age of consent here is 16.

Griff 05-21-2011 07:10 PM

The server is in the US so any child pron saved to it would be an American shitstorm.

DanaC 05-21-2011 07:56 PM

Ahh you're talking about her posting pics. Sorry I misunderstood.

Griff 05-21-2011 08:12 PM

That's what it looked like. <shrug>

footfootfoot 05-21-2011 09:32 PM

and it's a little creepy too.

morethanpretty 05-21-2011 11:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GunMaster357 (Post 734806)
That is the main point : TRUST. I cannot stress it enough. Kay, the kind of relationship you're looking for is NOT for casual sex. You have to know your partner literaly inside out. And it goes both way.

In my own case, I'm not currently involved with anyone. That's because when I encounter a woman that may become my partner, I put everything on the table. Otherwise, it's like any other sexual relationship. It may go on for some time

I consider a D/s relationship as something that has to stay behind the bedroom door. In everyday life, my partner would do as every independant woman should do : make her own decisions.

Another important point : SAFETY. If you ever decide to become involved with someone, start to experiment lightly. Especially if the Dominant hasn't much experience. There may be times you'll put your very LIFE in his hands.

So, no bullwhip on the first session.



I've met with female subs that were very happy in their life (married and with children). Submission was only a side of their private life. An itch they sometimes wanted to scratch.

I've also met some that were a bit askew because they had a very bad image of themselves, not necessarily coming from their D/s relation.

I've never met with a true sex slave.

I'm not worried about her sex life, just her life life. Why does she want someone else to control every aspect of that? Those are the types of subs that I've known who have had serious emotional issues. A little D/s play in the bedroom isn't a big deal. I'm talking about LIFESTYLE, day to day, the little bitty shit that someone feels they need someone else to control. Thats too far over the line for me to say "yeah, this person is of a healthy mindset." No, when you want someone else to run your life for you, that is not healthy.

morethanpretty 05-21-2011 11:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rrrraven (Post 735412)
I think that suggesting someone might need counseling to explore why they identify as a sub is like telling someone they're not okay for something as basic as sexual orientation. Different is not deviant.

I also think that there tends to be some misinformation outside of the D/s world as to who actually has the *power* in a D/s relationship. Most subs I know are extremely dominant in their professional lives/family lives and choose to submit in their sexual lives. One could argue that the sub has all the power, or even better that a D/s relationship is all about power exchange. Negotiation is optimal in D/s relationships, if you can't negotiate your relationship, your limits, then there is no D/s relationship.

Just my .02

Sexual orientation and lifestyle are not synonymous. Your life should not revolve around another person, or be in the control of someone else. This poster is talking about having a dom tell her what to do on a day to day basis.
Quote:

where I can surrender control to a dominant on some daily activites (e.g. clothes I wear, food I eat etc.).
Basic vocabulary lesson: different and deviant are synonyms. Just FYI.

Gravdigr 05-22-2011 03:45 AM

I wish she would take a picture of herself wearing a priest's robes and butt-fucking a chicken in the mouth with a stalk of celery while masturbating a male silverback gorilla to the tender strains of the Vienna Boy's Choir, while shitting bricks on top of the Crystal Cathedral in the midst of getting rimmed by the ghost of John Wayne Gacy and simultaneously getting bukkake'd by the entire cast of "The Cowboys". And the horses they rode in on.

Yep. I said it.

Gravdigr 05-22-2011 03:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wolf (Post 735589)
Don't be insufferably annoying.


DanaC 05-22-2011 04:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by morethanpretty (Post 735663)
Sexual orientation and lifestyle are not synonymous. Your life should not revolve around another person, or be in the control of someone else. This poster is talking about having a dom tell her what to do on a day to day basis.

She's talking about surrendering control on certain specified things. This is essentially a form of deep roleplay. Your post shows a fundamental lack of understanding of the BDSM experience.

From her posts, Katie seems self-aware and curious. What better way to try the concept out than by playing the role with an internet dom, in a context that she, the sub, actually controls entirely?

Just because it doesn't float your boat, please don't assume it is sinister.

wolf 05-22-2011 10:41 AM

I've known at least three lifestyle subs.

They are/were all extremely fucked up women.

DanaC 05-22-2011 11:40 AM

Well, I think to give up all control in that way can often suggest something amiss. But I don't get the impression that's what K is after. I might be wrong, but this sounds like a safe, non-sexual way to experiment with the notion of subordination.

HungLikeJesus 05-22-2011 01:57 PM

Couldn't she just get a job?

kaykatiekay 05-22-2011 04:07 PM

Ok I just want to say thanks to everyone who has offered me helpful advice and support (especially you DanaC-- you seem to be the only one who really understood what I was looking for here :/ maybe it's a language barrier issue :D).

I originally posted here thinking this was a forum used for such matters however I now realise I was wrong. I can see that this site was not what I was looking for so I apologise for posting here. As such, I will probably not post here again as I can tell some of you are offended by my manner and I am offended by some of yours.

Also, to the poster who was suggesting I acted illegally I just want to say that I was not proposing anything remotely sexual, nor was I looking to post pictures publically on this site so I did/do not believe I did anything wrong. Hope I won't get this board into trouble :S

Anyway I apologise for all the confusion and really just want to thank everyone who took the time to help or just chat with me :)

wolf 05-22-2011 04:28 PM

I didn't suggest that you acted illegally, Kaykatie, but that someone else was requesting that you do so ...

BigV 05-22-2011 04:31 PM

I was not offended in the least, and I do hope you'll stay. What you find here, a cross section of people with varying levels of understanding and sincerity is no different that what you'll find in the subset of people who know about D/s interactions, just with lower stakes. There are people here who have such knowledge.

Also, have you searched other communities? What about people in real life that might have insight, or at least an ability to give you a reality check for things that you're investigating? The previous posts relating to "trust" are really key, and that trust must flow in both directions. But it can not be sped up. It can only grow at its own maximum pace, or slowed or stopped by contraindications.

I know some people who fit the profile you're describing (and I don't consider them fucked up). But it is complicated, and it is less common (not abnormal, please). And one more thing--until you do learn more, especially about the individuals you're connecting with, the conflation of lifestyle submission and sexual submission will be inescapable. The immediate reactions among the people here, who I do know, is typical. You will encounter this again (and again). Prepare accordingly, ESPECIALLY if this is NOT what you're seeking.

I wish you well, you have an interesting road ahead.

Gravdigr 05-22-2011 04:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kaykatiekay (Post 734509)
...but I will take pictures of mself performing certain commands as proof if the Dominant wishes.

Quote:

Originally Posted by kaykatiekay (Post 735767)
...nor was I looking to post pictures publically on this site

FAIL.

BigV 05-22-2011 04:44 PM

compare and contrast:

Will take


Will not post

Gravdigr 05-22-2011 04:45 PM

Then why take?

Iz not zub.

Iz zock puppet.

Or trole.

BigV 05-22-2011 04:51 PM

???

Your question is borderline silly, Gravdigr.

I take *lots* of pictures I don't post. I bet you do too. And especially ones that might fall into such categories like what's begin discussed here.

I could possibly understand your pique if she was your sub and you were her Dom, and such a command had been refused. But, unless that is the case, you got nuttin.

I hardly think she joined the cellar looking for a Dom and found one in the space of a couple days and a handful of posts. I could be wrong. But until I have evidence that I am wrong on this score, it's just plain that she hasn't "FAILed" because she didn't bathe in relish and post the pics.

Gravdigr 05-22-2011 05:00 PM

I'll no longer participate in this type of thing V. If you wish to argue about something, argue with someone else. You are one of the very fucking few people on the Cellar I have any respect for, and I don't really want to get into it with you, or anyone else for that matter.

Sorry if I upset anyone.

BigV 05-22-2011 05:14 PM

Ok. I'm not looking for a fight.

I was taking the youngster's post seriously, and I probably missed your point. I am sometimes tone-deaf to things like this. I'm sorry too.

DanaC 05-22-2011 05:26 PM

Well, I think it's a shame if you don't stick around a little Katie. Like you say, a language barrier issue may have got you (or rather us :P) off on the wrong foot. And as BigV points out, the reaction here is unlikely to be substantively different to the reaction you'll get in most walks of life and most communities.

We are a very disparate group of people. As such there will be people in the Cellar you might get along great with, others you might butt horns with, and still others that you just can't work out one way or another. Like any community really. Some of us will understand you, some won't, but I can pretty much guarantee that the posters who gave you negative feedback in this thread were doing so for good motives. MTP was concerned, partly because of your age and partly because her personal experience of other subs. Wolf, meanwhile, is a site moderator and as such felt it appropriate to warn a long-term dwellar not to try urging you to post pics that, whilst fine in the Uk could cause trouble on a US site.

If you do stick around, just be aware that we dwellars will generally jump into any subject we're invited into. Some of it will be welcome, some less so.

xoxoxoBruce 05-22-2011 07:24 PM

Doesn't want sex, wants to be told what to do. Simple, get married. :lol:

DanaC 05-22-2011 08:37 PM

lol

Spexxvet 05-23-2011 11:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce (Post 735822)
Doesn't want sex, wants to be told what to do. Simple, get married. :lol:

To a woman. :sweat::bolt:

Taleena20042 06-09-2011 06:38 PM

My life as a sub......
 
Look Katie being a Dom/Sub relationship is a beautiful thing as long as you find the right master who is compasionate, understanding, and knows how to take care of his sub. As a sub I am required to do things that in a normal things are not usually asked of me and he pushes my limits daily. I enjoy this because I learn about myself and what I am capable of being and becoming. If you have questions for me or I can help you in any way just ask ok? well ttyl

Misstress Butterfly:3eye:


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