Hi.

I consider myself to be a friend to JBK. I understand that he has a mental illness. I always understood that. I did stay away from the posts that went over the line. The community deemed that he had gone too far. I don't know...this community has funny ways sometimes when it decides what it will and will not put up with. There is a certain amount of 'following' and I don't even think it's intentional...but there's human nature for you. I admit there are people I don't put up with either...but I try to ignore them rather than keep egging them on. I say 'try' sometimes I can't help but poke. ;)

But I always had an affinity for your brother. There is a lot of goodness in him that shone through.

One respected member has not been back since JBK was banned.

I say all this as a way to say: I hope JBK is doing well. I miss him and his creativity. I'm glad he has family to support him. I don't know if you are telling him about the posting here and the responses, but maybe you could just give him a hug for me.

I don't know what mugshot thing you are talking about. Maybe I missed something?

Anyway, thank you for letting us know how he is. I wonder about him.

I don't recall this. Which dwellar was that?

lamplighter. This was his last post:

http://www.cellar.org/showthread.php...217#post890217

eta: I may be wrong. I'm still looking over his posts but there was something that made me think that thread was his last straw. It could just be coincidence.

p.s. I don't blame glatt or anyone else for any of it. I'm no saint. I see why people were upset.

That is all.

Oh, yeah. Now I remember.

Too bad he's gone. I liked him.

Thank you very much for the update, and I am relieved to know he's always had protection in real life. Does he live with family members, or is it just a matter of being nearby and checking in on him? Many of us here understood his struggles, and tried hard to keep him grounded, but it doesn't always work as I'm sure you know. He does have friends here though, and I'm not a moderator but I believe he would be welcome to come back if he's stabilized from his previous break. Tell him Clodfobble says hi.

Please tell him I still consider him my friend.

I was going back through some posts and found this thread. JBK wrote me this poem and it really cheered me up that Christmas. My mom passed away 4 days later, from cancer, so it wasn't anything like Christmas to me last year. Somehow he was in tune with that and wrote me a fun poem and cheered me up. Yep, I'd say he touched some lives here.

http://www.cellar.org/showthread.php?t=29759

Hi JBK-Bro

I, too, am glad to hear JBK has people in his life who are actively caring about him / for him. You sound like a really good brother, a good person, lucky JBK. I'd welcome JBK's return too, but that's not my call. Tell him hello and ... ?? good luck and good night? wth? I hope he's doing well. He has a place here if he can return.

It's good to know JB has people like you looking out for him.

You sound like a good bro, JB's Bro.

Yeah. Frustrating as things were towards the end of JB's time here, I think most of of us still hope he's ok and wish him well.

Funny, I was thinking about him a couple of weeks ago actually. I'd clicked on an old thread and seen one of his posts.

Say hi from us. Banned or not: once a dwellar, always a dwellar :p

Saaaaaay, that reminds me. Starring_Emma was sent to Coventry as a minor; but, should have reached the age of majority by now. She provided some spirited political conversation and deserves a second chance as a mature adult. Her account should be reinstated immediately.

Starring_Emma was sent to Coventry as an attention whore. Age is irrelevant.

People, especially teenagers, mature with age.

You gave pensive pam a second chance.

Everybody gets a second chance, it's called starting a new account. Meanwhile I am not responsible for moderation. Mods are elected.

Yes, yes, everything in moderation. :)

Big difference between SE and JB.

SE dropped in and trolled for a little while and got banned. Then started a new account and trolled for a while and got banned.

JB was a member for quite some time. Sometimes he was troublesome, sometimes he was a thoughtful member of the community who shared his life and something of himself.

You don't become a 'dwellar' by joining. That just makes you a member. You become a 'dwellar' by joining and making friends, becoming a part of the community and contributing in some way. Even if the way you contribute is by becoming the resident troll through years of trolling.

Like JBKlyde, Starring_Emma had psych issues. She had been an inpatient for several months, much as Sundae is going to be, shortly before arriving in the Cellar. Like JBKlyde, Starring-Emma exhibited aberrant behaviors and was banned. Whereas JBKlyde could be personable, Starring_Emma was bright and her prognosis is much better than it can be for JBKlyde. She was young, vibrant, and bright enough that she was able to out debate some dwellars here. That seemed to bring distain from the old crones who were indifferent to her being an impaired minor. In this country, such people are given a clean slate when they reach the age of majority. Their juvenile records are sealed so they're not penalized for having been impaired before they became their own responsible party. It's the same in other advanced countries; except, for the old crones who will be old crones wherever they are.

Never said she shouldnt be allowed back. Just said she wasn't a 'dwellar'. She wasn't here long enough and didn't engage enough beyond game playing to become a 'dwellar' in the way JB did. She didn't become a part of the community, nor was she interested in doing so - she was just a site member for a little while. Lots of people join the site - but you have to become a part of the community (imo) to be a dwellar in the 'once a dwellar always a dwellar' sense. If she came back then maybe she would. Like you say - people change. They grow up. I have no problem with giving her another chance if she were to show up here again.

Leave Sundae out of this. Not even remotely the same situation.

[eta] Actually I'll qualify that a little: anybody who joins could be considered a dwellar whilst they're posting here. But if someone joins and stays for a couple of weeks - makes a few posts and doesn't really make themselves a part of the community and then leaves then it doesn't seem appropriate to me to say 'once a dwellar always a dwellar'. But JB was a part of this community. No matter how annoying he occasionally was, he shared something of himself and made himself a part of the fabric of this place over several years.

Any one of us could go off the deep end and I'd expect at least a degree of forbearance from the rest - because that's been built up over time. But someone breezing in and breaking out the fruit loops straight off hasn't built the basis of that forbearance.

That said, there were very particular reasons why SE ended up being banned - as I recall there was some worrying stuff going on via PMs and the mods stepped in because of that - it wasn't just the being annoying that made that happen. If that's all that had been going on I doubt it would have resulted in bans and she might have chilled out over time.

THANK YOU!

[smilie mine]

Jane, you ignorant slut. It was Sundae who brought up a possible disparity in the use of the term "inpatient" which was in my post. I put that in for clarification:

Oh shush you old codger. You're just jeal she didn't send her inappropriate teeny pics to you on PM.


Oh! Or maybe she did! Dirty old man!

After Emma strolled on in here, I did a Google search for clues as to where she was going with it. I'm the one who let UT know Emma had discussed her inpatient time in another public forum and had been banned elsewhere: I provided the links. I'm the one who suggested that Emma, a psychologically impaired MINOR, should be removed from the Cellar for ethical considerations and for her own protection. After UT sent her to Coventry (genius, pure genius on his part), UT posted that there was additional information available from him by PM.

Your "very particular reasons" and "worrying stuff" is stuff that I provided and addressed in my earlier post.

So, my recollection was right. Good oh. Which explains why she was banned.

In which case - what exactly is your point? Why even bring her up, when I suggested to his brother that JB will 'always be a dwellar'?

Oh that's right: you were just trolling.

I specifically said that your statement reminded me of what I elaborated on. It wasn't a reply to you. I was considering which others who were banned had the potential to reintegrate if during the meantime their status changed, as JBKlyde's might do with help from his brother, and they were given the opportunity to be ... always a dwellar. Your statement was only a trigger. You seem to be quite paranoid. Perhaps you should try cutting back on the dope.

Ahh. I see. I misunderstood you. Thought you were making a direct comparison.

To cut back on the dope would first require having some to cut back on :P