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FileNotFound 02-05-2004 03:56 PM

They should try that with faster cars.

They only need to go faster than the coast guard.

I doubt that the CG would open fire...well after 9/11 they proably will...still it's worth a shot.

I figure a supercharged ford truck engine or any Hemi could put out enough power to go much much faster.

dar512 02-05-2004 04:05 PM

I don't think so. Not with the drag that something like those floating trucks are going to have compared to the V hulls of the coastguard ships.

lumberjim 02-05-2004 04:54 PM

they would have made it easily in one of these:

http://i.timeinc.net/time/2003/inven.../invaquada.jpg
of course, they'd only be able to fit 5 or 6 immigrants, but they could make 2 trips in this little speeder
more on this

xoxoxoBruce 02-05-2004 09:11 PM

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Originally posted by wolf
Wouldn't it have been easier for them to use an original VW bug?
The only one they have left, have rust holes. :haha:

xoxoxoBruce 02-05-2004 09:13 PM

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Originally posted by FileNotFound
They should try that with faster cars.

They only need to go faster than the coast guard.

I doubt that the CG would open fire...well after 9/11 they proably will...still it's worth a shot.

I figure a supercharged ford truck engine or any Hemi could put out enough power to go much much faster.

Faster than a speeding f-15/16/18 ?

CharlieG 02-06-2004 12:40 PM

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Originally posted by xoxoxoBruce
Faster than a speeding f-15/16/18 ?
f-15/16/18 isn't very good at stopping a small boat like that unless you want to bomb it

However, as someone once pointer out to me - you can't outrun a radio. The just radio ahead, and the cutter waits for you

FileNotFound 02-06-2004 12:54 PM

I don't believe that they would have time to deply the jets at these short distances.

If the first BIG truck made it 40miles away from the shore at 8mph, think of what it could have done at 40?

You'll say "But 40 is fast for a boat.." Yeah but they can make it fast! They only need to cover ~200 miles on it, if even that. Supercharge it, water cool it, nitro it, rip off the muffler and the cats, floor it. Who cares if the engine only lasts the day? It's like the F1 engines which only last the race..

I would probably guess that they'd do better using a real speed boat though.

Oh and they just need to put up a big US flag and NOT look like Cubans to make it through. Like maybe not take the shortest route and not during the day?

Here is the magic formula:

Dark grey boat. No lights. Night.

xoxoxoBruce 02-06-2004 06:02 PM

The truck made it 40 miles because that's half way and they don't intercept before that. The US is watching ALL the time. Even the drug smugglers in high speed cigarette boats aren't fast enough.:)

quzah 02-06-2004 08:04 PM

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Originally posted by glatt
Has a little pointy thing in front.
http://us.news2.yimg.com/us.yimg.com...b.w020483a.jpg

This just screams "Condoreman"...

Quzah.

xoxoxoBruce 03-25-2005 10:59 PM

They finally made it! Not by sea, but through Costa Rica and Mexico.
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They were held in custody in Brownsville, Texas until Sunday. They traveled to Miami on Monday after being released on parole for humanitarian reasons. They will be allowed to apply for permanent residence in 2006.
I still feel bad about the Chevy Truck. ;)

Griff 03-26-2005 06:38 AM

I've got a truck that needs some work. Welcome to America, Boys!

LabRat 03-28-2005 09:22 AM

I've hardly been the environmentalist around here, but WTF is with them SINKING the two car/boats that this family had? They couldn't have just sent 'em to a junkyard for crying out loud? For some reason this really pisses me off. Oh, and welcome I guess to the family, if only most americans had that much willpower to get something done....

glatt 06-08-2005 02:00 PM

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This thread just won't die!

They are back. This time with a modified taxi.MSNBC Story

xoxoxoBruce 06-08-2005 09:55 PM

If they'd had 70HP/Liter, they'd have made it that last 20 miles before the Coast Guard found them. :)

Sweets 06-09-2005 02:47 AM

Why must it be bright blue

Clodfobble 06-09-2005 09:52 AM

To match their house?

wolf 06-09-2005 11:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Sweets
Why must it be bright blue

1. Hides better in the ocean.

2. In the communist worker's paradise, you paint things in the color that you have enough of. Sometimes not enough of.

Bloozer 01-18-2008 05:18 PM

Great plot for Gilligan's Island
 
What happened was they were just out for a 3 hour tour.... a 3 hour tour.

Skipper: "Holy crap little buddy, we're getting pulled over by the f***ing coast guard!!!"

Gilligan: "I knew we shouldn't have left the island... Skipperrrrrrrr!!!!!"

(my gawd, I seem to have lost my mind, hehehe...) -Bloozer-

Aliantha 01-18-2008 06:00 PM

Welcome to the Cellar Bloozer!

Nice way to begin your stay with us. :)

xoxoxoBruce 01-18-2008 10:36 PM

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They'll never give up trying to escape the socialist utopia.

ZenGum 01-19-2008 07:10 AM

So I, try, kiss America, Hi,
Drove my Chevy to the levy but the levy was ...dry?
Them good ol' boys were dodging Castro and tides. Sinking?
This'll be the way that I die.
This'll be the way that I die...

xiphos 01-20-2008 12:58 AM

damn
 
obviously you people don't live in Florida. I know this picture was taken a while ago, but immigration is becoming a real problem where i live. it is bringing in gangs, which grafitti everything, and now you can't walk into a gas station w/out worrying about getting shot. and now the neighborhoods are really bad because the cubans are too damn lazy to get jobs, and also because they are illegal. :mad2:

xoxoxoBruce 01-20-2008 06:35 AM

That's not unique to Florida, xiphos. When we attract illegals from countries where they are not happy, we're also going to attract illegals from countries where they are not wanted.... or should I say are wanted, by the law.
That's the bottom line with illegals, you don't know what you're getting.

TheMercenary 01-20-2008 07:59 AM

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Originally Posted by xiphos (Post 425893)
obviously you people don't live in Florida. I know this picture was taken a while ago, but immigration is becoming a real problem where i live. it is bringing in gangs, which grafitti everything, and now you can't walk into a gas station w/out worrying about getting shot. and now the neighborhoods are really bad because the cubans are too damn lazy to get jobs, and also because they are illegal. :mad2:

Don't tell it to Radar, he is helping them come here.

Elspode 01-20-2008 09:27 AM

I wonder if John Deere thought about sponsoring the '51 Chevy pickup guys for refugee status? With the color of the truck and accessory tarp, it should have been an advertising coup.

"Nothing floats like a Deere..."

richlevy 01-20-2008 09:45 AM

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Allen said Grass’s "greatest frustration was that he was stuck at sea and he was not able to land in Miami and drive up to the beach."
I think even the most die-hard anti-immigration redneck would have wanted to see that.

Of course, now that he's in the US, you know what's going to happen. He's going to start a company selling car-boat conversion kits and lakes are going to be filled with floating Fords and Buicks.;)

classicman 01-20-2008 11:16 AM

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Originally Posted by TheMercenary (Post 425907)
Don't tell it to Radar, he is helping them come here.

yup, and then he'll explain how they don't have to pay income tax too.

classicman 01-20-2008 11:28 AM

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Originally Posted by LabRat (Post 153632)
I've hardly been the environmentalist around here, but WTF is with them SINKING the two car/boats that this family had? They couldn't have just sent 'em to a junkyard for crying out loud? For some reason this really pisses me off.

Wow, a little late in answering your question LR, but they sink all kinds of things to create man-made reefs which support a great deal of sea life. I know up here there are a few that were sunk bout 10 - 15 years ago and they are great success stories about the marine life that is living in them and the fishing that goes on around them as well. Course they are all stripped of anything toxic..... but just sayin.

Aliantha 01-20-2008 04:53 PM

There is an argument that 'artificial reefs' only serve to collect fish so they're easier to catch rather than providing new environments for them to live in.

It's a contentious issue atm though. There seems to be equal evidence for both sides of the fence.

classicman 01-20-2008 06:21 PM

Ali, you really piqued my interest on this topic with your counter argument. I have volunteered with these projects several times and know people who work on them well. They all told me the same thing - fish numbers overall increase with the added artificial reef. I understand that they are potentially biased, but I did a little research today as well and the overwhelming evidence points to an increase in both fish populations and in fish species.
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The Effects of Man Made Structures on Nearby Resident Fish Communities
Researchers: William Alevizon, J.C. Gorham and several graduate research assistants.

Project Number and Duration: R/LR-B-20, 1985 - 1987

Question: The classic debate over artificial reefs is whether the reefs increase fish numbers or merely concentrate fish in one place. Could a carefully controlled study of the impacts of artificial reefs on the fish communities in a Florida marine sanctuary help move this debate in one direction or the other?

Project: Researchers counted and identified the fishes living in a flat, sandy habitat in two six-hectare (14.8 acres) study sites in Looe Key National Marine Sanctuary in the Florida Keys. Next, they built two artificial reef groups, each consisting of 12 small PVC- and concrete blocks, near the sites. They then censused the fishes in the study sites every three months for one year.

Results: Of the five most abundant species - green razorfish, Hemipteronotus splendens, pearly razorfish, H. novacula, rosy rasorfish, H. Martinicensis, slippery dick, Halichoeres bivittatu and the sand seabass, Diplectrum formosum -- researchers saw no change in the total numbers of adult and juvenile fish on the sandy habitat, or in the proportion of one species to another, in the pre- and post-reef censuses. The researchers next took the project a step further, building a large artificial reef at the center of one reef group. Nine months later, numbers of all but one of the most common species had increased 100 percent - yet numbers remained unchanged on the natural reef group. Both the earlier and later results appear to demonstrate that, at least in this case, artificial reefs resulted in an increase in fish stocks rather than a concentration of existing stocks.

Impact: By demonstrating one scenario in which artificial reefs did not have a negative impact on surrounding fish populations, the results provided support to public and private efforts in Florida to develop new artificial reefs and enhance existing ones. Through studies such as this one, artificial reefs are coming to be seen as more than just convenient 'fish attractors' In a report on the project, Alevizon wrote, "...The rational use of manmade reefs may substantially extend our ability to protect natural endangered systems, by providing the option of increasing available suitable habitat."
There were several more that all concurred with this conclusion and only one that countered it.

This led me to wonder if it was different over there versus here?

classicman 01-20-2008 06:27 PM

Alabama's Artificial Reef Program
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In fact artificial reefs can be created that over time will appear as natural reefs with similar communities of encrusting organisms and bait fish. As various encrusting organisms such as corals and sponges cover the artificial reef material, small animals take up residence. As these small animals become abundant larger animals are attracted and feed upon these. Yet larger fish are attracted to these and so on until a complete reef food web is created. At that point the artificial reef functions as a natural reef.

TheMercenary 01-20-2008 06:37 PM

I know they have dumped a bunch of old NYC train cars off our coast in the past.

Bloozer 01-28-2008 09:52 AM

Hi Ali,

Pardon me for not responding sooner. I just wanted to say thanks for the welcome:)

woohoo... now I have 2 posts!!!

classicman 01-28-2008 10:05 AM

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Originally Posted by TheMercenary (Post 426009)
I know they have dumped a bunch of old NYC train cars off our coast in the past.

Not train, but subway cars as far as I know - found this link on it.

xoxoxoBruce 01-28-2008 10:38 AM

The question is, do the reefs increase the fish population or just cause them to gather in one spot, making them easier to catch, rather than being scattered and harder to catch?

classicman 01-28-2008 10:52 AM

The data suggests that initially it draws fish from other areas and over time, as the reefs take hold in the environment, the reefs increase the fish population by creating a new place for smaller organisms and species to live and breed. This works its way up the food chain to larger species and so on.
Personally, it has increased the places to fish in my area - the older spots are still productive, but there are new ones now as well. To me, that indicates increasing populations. Thats the only personal experience I can bring to the issue.

fredsonic 01-30-2008 05:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Senor Oso (Post 49628)
Holy crap, that looks exactly like something you'd see on Junkyard Wars.

In the UK we have a motoring show called "Top Gear" presented by three lunatics, Jeremy Clarkson, James May & Richard Hammond. They all converted road vehicles into amphibious craft & were made to carry out a variety of tasks, including sailing from the south coast of England to France through the buseyest shipping lane in the world. Two out of the three sank. The Toyota got there.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi..._hammond_1.jpg

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...ious_may_3.jpg

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi..._toybota_2.jpg


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