Of course we do. We have for decades.

You know they didn't because that stuff wasn't invented yet. And you are right. They are not standing still. They are moving in opposite directions.

The people you are talking about must be upper middle class.

Lookout has apparently never hung out with the dirty boys on Grant Road, here in Tucson.

Big screen TVs, my ass.

You and I have different lines. I do not think it is playing inside the lines if they are getting bonuses while they lay off workers and cut their benefits. I do not think it is playing inside the lines when they get obscene salaries while the company they are running loses money, or when they rake in obscene profits, but they don't supply health care for their emplyees, so they are subsidized by the government. I do not believe it is playing inside the lines when the corporation is subsidized by the government but they keep all the profits. I do not believe the system is fair the way it is now.

yea, because that capitalist system is so great it has brought western civilization to the brink of destruction.

Wow. Thank you classic. You actually got it. :)

A long time ago m'dear.

Yea, like I said....

Obama declares US not at war with Islam

Could someone please explain some of them to me. Specifically those in the US. I am curious.

They saved Classical knowledge from the Christians (and added a significant amount of their own), enabling the Rennaissance.

That was quite a while ago, though, and they now seem to be where the Christians of that period were. Hopefully it takes them less time to get through it.

I agree - I find his comments quite intriguing and with respect to the U.S., I am curious to know what Obama meant by that.

He might have just been speaking in general terms, alluding to the fact that we're a nation of immigrants all bringing different contributions to our local, state, and nationwide society. The "Great Melting Pot" idea and all that. An appeal to commonality, and an attempt to make the US appear more benevolent, in an effort to reverse the hawkish nature that some in the foreign Islamic communities see the US as is my knee-jerk reaction to what he said there. I doubt he'll make much progress with Turkey since he has recently (2008 I think) called for those yahoos to accept the Armenian Genocide.

I applaud Obama for making that speech. What I don't get is, so many people in the US think that people in that part of the world are different from us, and in one sense they are, but others, not so much. I'm sure most of the people over there want peace, and respect, and they want to live their lives without oppression. That does not necessarily mean they want a system like ours. I don't think they want to be occupied by US forces, just like we would not want to be occupied by foreign forces. I do not think they want to be told what they can or can't have or what they can and can't do, by us or by the Taliban. They are not children, and we should not treat them as such. I think we'll find, if we act in concert with them, that we will get a much better response than we have gotten in the past. This antiAmerican sentiment has been building for a long time. In order to repair that, we can't act like their parent. We have to like their partner.

So what happens when they act like our partner and in fact they are actually using the relationship to screw us at every corner and take advantage of our friendships to exploit the relationship for their gain at our loss or worse to facilitate our demise?