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Lola Bunny 12-15-2012 09:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Trilby (Post 843954)
I think that WAS generic!!

can I be rude and ask how much per bottle you pay?

Not rude at all. I don't remember exactly, I got it at Costco. It was like $18 or $20 or so.

Chocolatl 12-15-2012 10:50 AM

It's hard to say since I was also recovering from a C-section and dealing with a newborn, but... probably a month? My blood was literally the consistency of Kool-Aid and I didn't have the energy for much of anything. I'm still taking them four months later. There's iron in the multivitamin I take, but if I stop taking an additional supplement I can feel the exhaustion set in within a day or two.

My husband takes B12 vitamins and they help his energy level a lot. Maybe just start with a good multi?

morethanpretty 12-15-2012 11:42 PM

My sis and I are fighting and we're not getting anywhere with reconciliation.

Lola Bunny 12-16-2012 10:13 AM

So sorry to hear, MTP. :(

morethanpretty 12-18-2012 05:13 PM

Went to the doc last night, I've got an pharyngitis with an upper respiratory infection. Oh and did I mention I had balloon sinuplasty and a tonsillectomy only 20 days ago? Yup, recovery is going so well.

Lola Bunny 12-18-2012 09:35 PM

Again, so sorry to hear, MTP. :( I hope you'll on the road of recovery and stay on it.

Shawnee123 12-23-2012 09:23 PM

Hale yeah! I keep remembering i'm off work all next week. It will be scramble time when we go back but it's worth it for the break. On a football Sunday, I remember reasons to like my job. :)

ZenGum 12-24-2012 06:06 AM

I just learned that the indigenous people of Vancouver Island are the Kwakwaka'wakw.

Go on, say it. Three times, if you still aren't smiling.

Lamplighter 12-24-2012 08:53 AM

Their village is on banks of the NicNakPadiWak River.
It's there so everyone can see when the old man comes rolling home.

infinite monkey 12-25-2012 05:31 AM

Is it really frightening or really hilarious how the gun-nut crazies are going absolutely berserk at the slightest hint that some sort of gun control (i.e. more than we have) has been given leverage in light of the most recent massacre?

We have examples of a couple of them here. If the cellar is a microcosm of the world, then you can maybe make projections on the ratio of gun-nuttiness to responsible, thinking, intelligent gun owners in this country.

Let the foots and the likes in the world have their guns. You hear no nutty crazy blatherings from those who aren't, well, nutty crazy. You know, the ones who give the impression of severe post-traumatic stress, 'shell-shockiness' or just plain inexplicable and complicated nuttiness.

The nuts have convinced me who the dangerous owners are: most likely to start shooting from their cabin on top of Paranoia Hill at anyone approaching in case they are there to talk about reasonable gun laws. Talk about it? Have those difficult conversations? No, not until their guns are pried from their cold...eh, you know the rest.

Yee-haw.

Lamplighter 12-25-2012 08:58 AM

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The gun-nuts are losing the PR battle.
... and eventually guns will either be banned completely,
or there will be more and more Ruby Ridge events.
One way or the other they are the losers.

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The only possible alternative I see is for the so-called "sane gun owners"
to begin dialog with the rest of the community, to get rational gun control.

For example, given a man who has a wife and children, and he wants to have his guns,
but she sees danger and wants to protect her children and herself.

Which is more important, life and freedom from fear ... or... owning a gun ?
Whose rights will prevail ?

If sane gun owners can not answer such a question, guns will eventually be banned completely.

Griff 12-25-2012 10:13 AM

There are at least two kinds of gun nuts in this country, those who crazily arm themselves hoping for Armageddon and those who believe the country can be disarmed. You need both kinds to get Ruby Ridge/Waco events. In a country as thoroughly awash with arms as the US you won't get confiscation because it would be a bloodbath. Ibby was on to the problem/answer in one of the gun threads. We have to address the cultural problem of gun fetishists of which we have more than one type.

Lamplighter 12-25-2012 11:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Griff (Post 845257)
There are at least two kinds of gun nuts in this country, those who crazily arm themselves hoping for Armageddon and those who believe the country can be disarmed. You need both kinds to get Ruby Ridge/Waco events. In a country as thoroughly awash with arms as the US you won't get confiscation because it would be a bloodbath. Ibby was on to the problem/answer in one of the gun threads. We have to address the cultural problem of gun fetishists of which we have more than one type.

I agree with most of your post, except it was not people opposed to guns
that brought about Ruby Ridge... it was the government.
The gun-nuts cannot not win such fights.

I'm not saying there is only one way.
A large part of the "cultural problem" is already being overcome... gradually.
People are law-abiding, and there lies the current support of "gun rights".
But gun owners are being seen more and more as a reactionary minority.

A change in the interpretation of the 2nd Amendment will be
advocated and accepted as a matter of individual safety and
for the "public good", so blood-bath confiscations are not inevitable.

Rational gun owners can either help solve problems, or lose their war.

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Griff 12-25-2012 01:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Lamplighter (Post 845265)
A change in the interpretation of the 2nd Amendment will be
advocated and accepted as a matter of individual safety and
for the "public good", so blood-bath confiscations are not inevitable.

I think you're going to have to get an amendment to the Constitution to do this part successfully. You will always have holdouts who will feel their mini Armageddons are supporting a Constitutional principle. With an amendment it would be their fellow citizens limiting their rights not an "activist" judge.

DanaC 12-26-2012 06:25 AM

The thing is, that part of the constitution was written when there was a strong desire to defend the nation entirely through a citizen militia. As opposed to a standing army alon the lines of the absolutist European model. Also as a bit of an inheritance from the British culture, whose obession with citizen militias and fear of standing armies was a regular political bugbear throughout the 18th and into the 19th century.

The inadequacy of citizen militias having proved itself time and again, America now has one of the largest and best funded armies in the history of mankind.

Citizen militias were in part a defence against a possibly overweaning state. But they were never meant to be a potential defence against a massive standing army. They were supposed to negate the need for such. And they were supposed to be armed with a firelock rifle by their hearth, which would be picked up and put down again as needed in defence of their freedom.

At no point could the people who drafted that constitutional right and obligation have forseen the destructive power of modern weapons, nor the existence of such a well-armed population running alongside a gargantuan standing army, set within the context of a seemingly ever increasing militarism in popular culture.

Nor could they have envisaged a time when an individual of ordinary means could easily achieve an arsenal to rival of that of an entire militia regiment.


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