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You're obviously right but what exactly are we? I wouldn't call our foreign policy pragmatic as that implies a sensible balance.
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I would say our foreign policy is shaped by a wide variety of individuals, each with their own philosophy and self-interests. Some are neo-conservative, some are realists, some are liberal internationalists, some have business interests. Also, many people shaping our foreign policy probably have multiple interests and can convince themselves that our foreign policy and their business interests are compatible *cough* Iraq *cough*.
George W. Bush surrounded himself with neo-conservatives so his foreign policy was highly influenced by that. We invaded Afghanistan and Iraq with the idea that the US could effectively spread western democracy. This was a failure so the neo-conservatives have pretty much been marginalized ever since. This shift from neo-conservativism has seemed to lead to a rise in realism and non-interventionists (Ron and Rand Paul). Obama's foreign policy seems to be more realist - but not cold war realist - since he does not believe the US can or should spread democracy via military but he strongly believes in fighting terrorist threats, hence the large amount of drone strikes and surveillance. I think Obama is split between liberal motives and realist calculation, somewhat explaining his lack of consistency on particular issues. With Syria, his actions are open to interpretation depending on motive. There is reason to believe he has followed a realist path and there is also reason to believe he has no idea what he is doing. To his defense, trying to keep influence in the Middle East right now is essentially gambling. We have no idea who will be on top in 10 years so we don't want to throw all our chips on one group, but evenly distributing our chips among all groups is currently pissing everyone off. |
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No true American would want to impose democracy on other nations. Only extremists believe in forcing democracy down other's throats. It also does not work. Democracy must be earned by the people of that nation. And if it means 10% casualties, well, that is what it takes. People themselves must want the political solution. Outsiders cannot impose it. In Syria, not enough have yet died. They are not yet ready for that war to end. If outside support is required, it must come from nations that can justify such interest - Turkey, Saudis, Jordan, Lebanon, Iraq, Egypt, etc. It is their responsibility - not ours. That is quite pragmatic. |
Jeff Merkley, Ron Wyden, Mike Lee, Rand Paul: Senate odd bedfellows join on Afghanistan measure
Oregon Sen. Jeff Merkley has formed another left-right coalition aimed at keeping the pressure on the Obama administration to continue winding down U.S. military involvement in Afghanistan. The Long Goodbye in Afghanistan Yet last week the Obama administration announced that it had reached an agreement with Afghanistan on a long-term bilateral security arrangement that, officials say, would allow up to 12,000 mostly American troops to be in that country until 2024 and perhaps beyond — without Mr. Obama offering any serious accounting to the American people for maintaining a sizable military commitment there or offering a clue to when, if ever, it might conclude. |
Afghanistan would make a great air base that would project a military presence in the area, especially Iran
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We invaded Afghanistan solely because they supported Al-Qaeda, after the attack on 9/11/01.
Iraq was a completely different criteria. WMD and terrorism were used to justify it to us, which was a horrible, bald-faced lie, by all involved in telling it. The real reason was probably that Saddam was a PITA to deal with, and viewed as a repressive dictator (gas attacks, etc.), with a repressive regime that would be able to stay in power for decades longer, at least (through his sons). So for Iraq, I would say it was more about helping to reshape the Middle East, by replacing a PITA dictator, with a democracy. |
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The problem is a need to find solutions in military deployments, with little respect for allies, and with no grasp of a third requirement always necessary to justify a war - an exit strategy. |
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whose sons were a suicide bombers, and he was being praised as a hero in the Palestinian press. This pissed off Rumsfeld and Cheney. They easily convinced GWB to get the a victory in a war they felt his father had not finished. The rest was propaganda fed to the US public. |
It's been five minutes so let's go over the Iraq war again.
tired tired tired why don't we revisit the war of 1812 instead |
How To End A War
America’s exit from Vietnam should not be our template in Afghanistan. From American Legion mag. The last couple of paragraphs might be relevant. Here. |
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Here is an accounting of the recent diplomates' meeting regarding the US proposal
for 10,000 US military personnel to stay in Afghanistan for another 10 years... (heavily edited by me) NY Times ROD NORDLAND November 25, 2013 Obama’s Visiting Security Adviser Tells Karzai to Sign Agreement Quote:
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