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Refusal to understand that it's the same war is refusal to even try to win it, Ibram. Wars have theaters of action; this one has two or more.
We're involved, whether we like it or not. Israel's involved, whether they like it or not. Europe is at least in some measure involved, and may get raped by al-Quaeda or other bigot nasties into deeper involvement, whether Europe likes it or not. It's all one war, sprinkled over quite a bit of the planet's circumference especially thanks to modern travel. |
I'm waiting for an answer...
Please explain to me a SINGLE way that saddam hussein had anything to do with 9/11, besides the fact that he was "a damn dirty A-rab" or "Gas is expensive now!" (oh wait, that's not related to 9/11 either...) |
I just did a quick Google search and found this link.
"A translation of the document shows the al-Qaida terrorist Saddam's government had identified was Abu Musab al-Zarqawi, who emerged as one of the leading terrorists in post-Saddam Hussein Iraq. The document, dated Aug. 17, 2002, identifies the al-Qaida member as Ahmed Fadil Nizal Al Khalaylah, the real name of Zarqawi, and includes a series of photos. A memo within the document shows that as early Aug. 8, 2002, Zarqawi was identified as a member of "Tanzeem al-Qaida," or the "Al-Qaida Organization”. "This document provides startling documentation that at the very least that Saddam Hussein's government knew that al-Qaida was active and functioning in Iraq," Mansfield said. She pointed out that although the document goes on to outline activities of the group, there is no indication the Iraqi government took any steps to stop al-Qaida from operating within Iraq, in clear defiance of international law. "The U.S. Government has made no determination regarding the authenticity of the documents, validity or factual accuracy of the information contained therein, or the quality of any translations, when available." http:Newly released document links Saddam to al-Qaida |
Here's another one
Al Qaeda and the Iranian connection One particularly interesting quote: "I visited Iraq twice after the fall of Saddam Hussein and in April this year I was sure that pro-Iran Shia militants and Al Qaeda fighters were collaborating against the US in Iraq." |
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The better you suck it up, the realer you can be.:cool: |
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OFGS, Hippikos. Wasn't al-Zarquawi's hospital stay in Baghdad enough evidence of the connection? Is it not so that the troubles in the world are largely going to come from the failed states, most of which are to be found in a contiguous belt straight through Araby and central Africa? Is it not so that the failed states easily pup out antidemocracy activists -- id est, terrorists? Was Ba'athist Iraq anything but a typical example of a failing/failed, despotic state?
I see the connections -- regardless of how obtuse you may care to be. As you know, no conspiracy theory makes it with me, either -- and here you are, trying unscrupulously and uncritically (at best) to purvey one. You do not persuade, sir. |
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Also Cheney still was claiming, even after the story already proved to be a hoax, that Iraq secret agents were meeting with Atta in Prague. When will you realise that all US intelligence about Iraq were bogus and misused in order to convince gullible people like you? Who's making conspiracies here? Cheney or me? Truth is more straight forward. US intelligence thought that Zarqawi had lost a leg in Afghanistan in 2002. But then, in May 2003, they concluded that he still had both legs. Cheney's "evidence" of an al-Qaeda-Saddam link via Zarqawi may be an intercepted phone call by Zarqawi from a Baghdad hospital in 2002, while his leg was being attended to. But then "Zarqawi" shows up in a video with both legs in the 2004 beheading of hostage Nick Berg. Then again, you're entirely free to suck up everything Bush and Cheney are saying. |
Hippikos, I'd say the gullibility is all inside your head -- hell, you've glommed my share, and welcome to it. I think you're talking through your hat.
And where's the point of your discussion about whether al-Z lost a leg or didn't? It certainly doesn't make your point, whatever it was. Is it not to be understood, even from what you put out, that al-Z was in danger of losing his leg to his injuries, but good medical treatment and maybe good luck saved the limb? Would it be the first time ever that the initial word on something was muddled? Hardly. Nor, frankly, am I persuaded that the Atta meeting was a hoax. Iffy? -- possibly. Understand something: earlier in my life, I was an intelligence professional and I have considerable experience with how hedged and qualified intelligence info is. It is never the complete story in real time -- that only comes, if ever, some time well after the fact, from the piecing-together done by historians. I remind you, since you evidently need reminding, that Republicans don't swear a blood oath to tell lies before each meal and before bed as a condition of joining the Republican Party. Your kind of thinking is exactly what keeps right-wingers believing they are smarter than left-wingers. Certainly I'm confirmed in this view, reading the guff I see here. |
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