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Who is going to fight this "war", most of the young people like the US?

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Originally Posted by Urbane Guerrilla (Post 363594)

My point, of course, is that this ends up being an improvement of their condition. Billions of US dollars in remittances (or envios, as the Spanish has it) going south don't lie -- they are affording to do this, and en masse. I live in the middle of where this sort of thing is going on, and frankly, what I see is a lot of these people earning enough to put them in at least the lower middle class. The crop pickers mostly get to the fields in private automobiles -- of various vintages, never the very newest, no doubt a couple-three per vehicle, but private autos.

Well whoopee fuckin' doo.... they can scrape together a few bucks to buy a used car. Maybe it's because there are limited things they can spend their money on.

Can they buy a house? Can the become part of the general community where the people that hire them live? Can they pay for hospitalization if they get sick? No, they are in limbo... at the mercy of the whims of the boss man.

Even the billions of dollars being shipped to Mexico do nothing but allow those left behind to exist. Nothing gets fixed, corruption remains rampant, even personal property rights are tenuous. Why? Because they are running away instead of fixing there own country. The Dickensian bosses allow, no, encourage, this to happen.

If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the problem.

Damn right, if any Iranians are thinking there could be changes, that would make Iran a better place to live, it must be an American plot.
After all, Iranians don't think without outside agitation, do they?

I really missed your commentary Bruce - well put.

It just is not our place to go into Iran.

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Originally Posted by rkzenrage (Post 364779)

It just is not our place to go into Iran.

Not to mention it would be suicidal as well.

Matter of fact, I was just in a house a certain Mexican, his wife, and four kids just moved into. They are probably renting, but his place is bigger than mine. No, Bruce, what I see here on the ground suggests somebody's -- lots of somebodies -- getting along better than you want to believe.

While I agree with you the Mexican economy needs a major remodel, it's not left unremodeled because every hard worker is up here north of the border. Remodeling an economy that began as a latifundium economy of a few holders of all the wealth and the vast mass of everyone else is going to take the endeavor of the whole of the population if you want to convert that start into the horde of smallholders, with secure property rights, that was and is the basis of the North American middle class.

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Originally Posted by Urbane Guerrilla (Post 365212)

Good money in picking fruit and veggies, is there? Those farmer's have good medical & retirement plans for them too? By the way is he here legally? If he is, ask him how he feels about the Mexican Mafia, or how they feel about La reconquista.
Hey, he's not a panhandler is he?

Jose and Carlos are panhandling at the freeway off ramp.
Jose drives a Mercedes, lives in a mortgage free house and has a lot of money to spend.
Carlos only brings in 2 to 3 dollars a day.
Carlos asks Jose how he can bring home a suitcase full of $10 bills every day.
Jose says, "Look at your sign." It reads: "I have no work, a wife & 6 kids to support".
Carlos looks at Jose's sign. It reads: "I only need another $10.00 to move back to Mexico.".

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While I agree with you the Mexican economy needs a major remodel, it's not left unremodeled because every hard worker is up here north of the border. Remodeling an economy that began as a latifundium economy of a few holders of all the wealth and the vast mass of everyone else is going to take the endeavor of the whole of the population if you want to convert that start into the horde of smallholders, with secure property rights, that was and is the basis of the North American middle class.

Then I guess it's not going to happen because the "whole population" isn't there to do it. Some are renting 4 bedroom houses near you and the rest are hanging in Compton. Uh, you don't live in Compton do you? Or south central? Or Pomona? Santa Ana? Or a hundred other places it isn't safe for whites or blacks to walk the street, in CA alone. Where you have to know the Mexican flag to locate the Post Office, where your kids aren't safe in public schools and city employees are attack on duty.