My first thought would be guys dressing up as women to better hide all their bombs, but! it is against their religion to dress as women, whereas, blowing themselves and others is apparently peachy.

As for visible face, don't we have retinal scanning technology in place? can't we have a big fat database of retinas?

First ban masks. Now ban sunglasses. Who knows. Will a ban on gloves be next?

This is about privacy. Nobody need know I have no basic health care and no dentist. Those are my black teeth. No one else need see them. My religion also says to hide any communicable disease I might be carrying. It is my right. After all, I have the right to impose my religious beliefs on anyone else.

I just don't like religion in general; so following extreme practices in the name of religion; legislating against those practices in the name of national safety . . . it's all bad.

I disagree with a full ban because that kind of thing does impinge on freedom and rights and for the backlash affect described. I do agree that common sense and security concerns say that faces should be visible in certain situations.

Most demonstrative Muslim women around here (this is not in Belgium, of course) wear a close fitting head wrap that covers their hair and neck, but leaves the face visible. Alternatively, I see other women who must be Amish or fundamentalist Christian wearing less occlusive headscarfs or kerchiefs, and long, covering dresses. I have no problem with their right to wear this kind of garb; but I would expect the same courtesy in return.

The thing that bothers me the most about veiling or "modesty" garments for women is that it is an extreme form of control of women, whether they like to admit it or not. These are patriarchal religions where the men jealously guard their power and barely admit that women are people. For all the young passionate women's protestations about identity and faith, to me they are merely buying in to this second class citizen belief system.

And that I do have a problem with. Did I mention I don't like religion? The misery and turmoil it causes just seem neverending.

Religious malpractice is what causes the misery. Those who tell you otherwise are trying to spread their own misery to you.

You could point to the "institution syndrome," or to the will of some eligible gallowsbirds to do just plain evil, pretending all the while that it is otherwise, if you want a detailed explanation. And were it not religion, it would be some other bad excuse.

I cling to my guns not from bitterness, but from an understanding that some kinds of life are improved with sudden death.

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France has first 'burka rage' incident
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Maybe this should be in the weird news thread.
We all knew it had to start somewhere. Both sides will try to score points with this incident.

So the old bag of an attorney insults the woman wearing a burkha....and subsequently rips its off.

You see points on both sides here for the rage expressed on one side?

Yup. Your inability to displays your bias. Well that and the "Old bag" comment.

Who provoked the incident.

Who initiated the name calling in the incident?

Who ripped the burkha off the woman?

The rage was all on one side....unless I missed something.

And you have the balls to talk about bias? ("ALL of the attorneys, local elected officials, police chiefs that are opposed to the AZ bill are acting out of political or financial interests"...."government data is biased")

Were you there? have you reviewed the tapes? Did you interview the witnesses? All types of questions you've brought up in the past.

Try this - STFU.
Who called the atty an "old bag"?
You did - no go fuck off. The last few days were most pleasant without your argumentative assholiness.

I posed what I thought were reasonable questions in response to your links.

I did not disrespect you in any recent post.

Shame you cant say the same.

Lets look at it again.

Woman A walks into a store minding her own business.

Woman B makes "snide remarks about her black burka"

Woman B is said to have "likened the Muslim woman to Belphegor, a horror demon character well known to French TV viewers."

An argument ensues.

Woman B, the older woman is said "to have ripped the other woman's veil off."

How would you characterize Woman B?

What did Woman A do wrong?

And how is any of what I posted a personal attack on you?

Did I tell you "go fuck off" or suggest your posts are "argumentative assholiness."

All alleged... blah blah blah.
1) I never said you made a personal attack against me.
2) nor do I care if you did or not. I'm tired of doing this with you.

I'm not tired at all of challenging you or anyone. Its still fun to me. :)

And I will to try to be respectful of others here and not engage in name calling of other posters...even when attacked.

IMO, ts unfortunate that you are not willing to do the same.

It has become apparent to me and just about everyone else that nothing productive comes from our "exchanges." Maybe you haven't noticed, but I am trying NOT to interact with you. Perhaps you could do the same.