Neither can be trusted, but I would agree that Congress is certainly not trustworthy at all.

Throw the Bums Out.

For example, if you took your family on vacation, outside US borders? At that point, ANY citizen should be fair game, to be killed for ANY reason? Or should we, maybe, specify exactly what the acceptable parameters are here?

Doing something "just this once" because it "feels right" is a stupid way to make decisions in any area of life, and this is no different. If something seems like a "no brainer" it is because you aren't USING your brain.

It's a slippery slope.

Patriots have no reason to leave the country, unless of course they're in the military going to do god's work. Anybody else, snuff 'em... and their children... and their cats.

It's an immediate precipice.

No one killed Jim and I when we left the country, can't be that immediate.

But if that did happen, you would be cool with it?

It didn't. Not by chance - but because we aren't traitors, hanging out with known terrorists, planning to do destructive shit or overthrow the government.

But it is for a reason and with a purpose. Whether it is right or wrong is another question. But it certainly has purpose.

I'm not an idiot. I'm saying that when something needs to be done, it needs to be done RIGHT. In other words, don't shoot yourself in the foot.

I never meant to imply you were an idiot. The disagrement I suspect is the definition of what is "RIGHT".

I would have to be an idiot not to know there is a reason/purpose that applies in this limited instance. I would REALLY have to be an idiot not to know why there is a difference between this guy and jinx/lj. Congratulations to jinx on the Captain Obvious award--you win!

I don't disagree with what needs to be done, or whether it is "right" or not. I mean nothing more an nothing less than exactly what I've said. What is at issue is HOW we do this. IF: there is no procedure to separate this guy into a different category from other citizens THEN: what happens to this guy applies to EVERY citizen. This is not rocket science. What seems like a good idea "just this once" usually isn't a good basis for decision making.

I understand your point.

But on the otherhand. If you step off.... and do your own thing, outside the protection of the reach of the protections of the Consitution, then you may be taking a chance that someone who disagrees with you may reach out and touch you. I would suggest you reconsider. Hey, but make no mistake, I am fully supporting of sending the guy a Airborne Express message of our sentiment.

I want to see this defined, i.e. exactly what constitutes this scenario. NOT by way of vague but colorful anecdotes; NOT by way of ominous but generally convincing news blurbs; but something substantive and more respectful of the RULE OF LAW in a civilized nation. For ƒuck's sake, folks.

Don't get shitty with me for being glib - because you're not really saying anything at all.
You want every possible way you can be a traitor spelled out somewhere? What the hell good does that do, next year it won't be relevant because times changes and the way people betray the country changes. Today it's islamic terrorists, but in 20 years, who the fuck knows?
That this list doesn't exist is not a good enough reason to sit around with your thumb up your ass waiting to get blown up.