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monster 09-23-2010 12:16 AM

you? (who, not whom)

xoxoxoBruce 09-23-2010 12:26 AM

Not me, I think it's a great idea, and I'm glad you brought it here. My caution is expanding it too generally, beyond the target and subject it was created for.

Maybe someone should take on a similar project, for the other High School misfits/outsiders, telling them it will get better after High School, if they do x, y, and/or z.

skysidhe 09-23-2010 02:24 AM

If I was ever a misfit as a kid I didn't know it. I had a great childhood with my set of friends and so many experiences I treasure. As a young adult I went into human services, spend my career helping the disabled,helped my son fight through his autism like sensory issues, and not very well because he had to deal with his mom's handicaps. Now that he has pretty much a handle on things my mom get's Alzheimer's. I am tired,burn't out, kaput. I keep reminiscing about my childhood which scares me. I want to be reminiscing now about good things that happen now. In my bad moments I tell myself ,it will get better sometime before I die, or not. During my good moments I tell myself it's just life life balancing out. If that is the case then my son is going to have one hell of a good next 40 years.

Clodfobble 09-23-2010 02:43 PM

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Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce
Maybe someone should take on a similar project, for the other High School misfits/outsiders, telling them it will get better after High School, if they do x, y, and/or z.

That's kind of the point, though--you don't have to do x, y and/or z. It gets better instantly, the day you graduate, simply by virtue of not being trapped in a high school building with sadists anymore. Sure, you still have to get a job and live your life, and in a small-town blue-collar scenario you are likely to encounter a lot of the same types of people you saw in high school. But the difference is, most behavior perpetrated by high school bullies--vandalism, harassment, threats, assault--is at best a firing offense and at worst a prosecutable crime, when it's done out in the real world. Not to mention, you now have the freedom to move to a larger city if your small town is an exact replica of the high school environment. You can hitchhike if you have to, and your parents can't say anything about it, whereas before they could have had cops haul you back as a runaway.

The campaign isn't that life gets easy. It's that life gets better.

xoxoxoBruce 09-23-2010 02:58 PM

Firing offense? Prosecutable crime? Not when you're the odd man out in the group, and maybe in the community. The boss and cow orkers are lodge brothers with, in the softball league with, go to the same church as, the cops.
No, graduating (or dropping out) of High School doesn't change anything. That requires work and determination on your part. You have to make it happen and it ain't easy.

footfootfoot 09-23-2010 04:26 PM

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Originally Posted by monster (Post 684288)
I saw the column while I was checking out the video. is it good? it seemed ok

Is it good? It's fucking hilarious. I thought everyone read that.

There is one column form years ago that we had taped to the wall in the shop in college where Dan is going off on some guy for asking about what he can eat to make his "cum" taste better.

After letting the guy know that grown ups spell it c-o-m-e, he goes on to say that and as far as he (Dan) is concerned they guy can eat firecrackers to make his come taste like the 4th of July, but in case the guy didn't know, their is an AIDS epidemic going on and coming in someone's mouth isn't safe, among other withering comments.

He is one funny fucker.

piercehawkeye45 09-23-2010 05:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Clodfobble (Post 684516)
That's kind of the point, though--you don't have to do x, y and/or z. It gets better instantly, the day you graduate, simply by virtue of not being trapped in a high school building with sadists anymore. Sure, you still have to get a job and live your life, and in a small-town blue-collar scenario you are likely to encounter a lot of the same types of people you saw in high school. But the difference is, most behavior perpetrated by high school bullies--vandalism, harassment, threats, assault--is at best a firing offense and at worst a prosecutable crime, when it's done out in the real world. Not to mention, you now have the freedom to move to a larger city if your small town is an exact replica of the high school environment. You can hitchhike if you have to, and your parents can't say anything about it, whereas before they could have had cops haul you back as a runaway.

I disagree that it automatically gets better. My freshman year I had a roommate who had a lot of troubles in high school. I don't know the full story but he switched schools between his sophomore and junior years of high school because of bullying, isolation, etc, and supposedly the school he went to junior and senior year wasn't much better. He said he was suicidal for a while as well (honestly I thought he was looking for attention at the time but whatever).

Anyways, so we met the summer before freshman year of college through some roommate search and he was extremely excited for a new start and to be in a much more "mature" environment. He had plans of meeting a bunch of people who weren't judging and all of that stuff.

But one thing we both didn't realize at the time was that people are going to judge you on how you act no matter what. There isn't some instant rush of maturity that occurs when someone leaves high school. The same people we were hanging out with freshman year all graduated high school the year before. If you were bullied in high school there was usually a reason for it, some more legitimate than others, and acting the same way when you graduate will most likely result in people treating you the same (being gay can be somewhat exempted from that but I'll get back to it).

So I quickly found out that this guy was creepy and weird as hell and tried way too hard to impress people. This naturally turned all of our hallway against him and he went back to the same old trends as he did in high school. I haven't talked to him since the end of freshman year but unless he changed how he acted, I bet he still gets treated the same way. It may not be as direct as in high school or the dorms, but it will still happen.


I had another old roommate, junior year, who had an opposite situation. He was king back in high school. Star football player, second best wrestler in the state for his weight class, valedictorian, popular as hell, etc. He lived in a small town and when he moved to the University of Minnesota he eventually found out he was only average compared to everyone else. There were other issues too but I could easily tell that this bothered him because he would get very insecure and call himself a "genius" and talk about how great he was back in high school. He became an alcoholic and has nothing to show for himself right now. I know a few other people that have the same basic story but just not to that extreme. All of them live in the past.


While I do agree that graduating high school for the most part gives everyone an opportunity to live a better life, I would never say that it automatically gets better. People are going to be judging and be assholes wherever you go. A lot of people are miserable and that is apparent of how they treat other people. Almost all my gay friends are much happier now than in high school because they stopped giving a shit what other people think about them. Getting out of their high school helped A LOT, but it still came down to getting rid of the insecurities instilled on them for the past 12 years.

Graduating from high school gives you an opportunity to change but you still have to do it if you want to be happier.


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