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laywong 10-26-2010 02:59 AM

There were no roads. They are here becaue people have been treading on them. haha~~

footfootfoot 10-26-2010 08:37 AM

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Originally Posted by laywong (Post 690446)
However, here I am just taking a relatively static point of view to this very piece of writing. It is recommended to the Chinese students as "classic English writing worth reading and reciting". I just worry about the consequence of their memorizing Chinglish. I am very eager to find out its origin and remove it from the recommendation list because they need real, authentic English, at the English beginner stage.

What is interesting is the phrase "classic English writing worth reading and reciting." Given the moral and ethical differences and values between the East and West I wonder if such a text exists that is both, "classic English writing" AND "worth reading and reciting."

I think that explains some of the unusual quality to the writing. The content seems to me to be more aligned with Chinese values and wholly irrelevant to Westerners, while the writing style has a distinctly Western, if not outdated, ring to it. (I realize I am painting with a broad brush)

As for real, authentic English, why not try real authentic English writing authors. Start with E.B. White, he was a very skilled writer. The potential problem is that along with the baby, you get the bathwater, i.e. Proper written English with content that may not be in alignment with your values.

Undertoad 10-26-2010 10:22 AM

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along with the baby, you get the bathwater
You have used an idiom inside of a metaphor here, which is going to be totally confusing if the new English reader has never heard the original idiom!

footfootfoot 10-26-2010 05:51 PM

I know, I know. I was wondering how that would go over.

Shawnee123 10-26-2010 06:48 PM

It's going to go over like hotcakes.

footfootfoot 10-26-2010 08:10 PM

The best thing since sliced metaphors?

Shawnee123 10-26-2010 08:16 PM

That metaphor is like a simile without slices.

Clodfobble 10-26-2010 10:19 PM

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Originally Posted by laywong
Thank Clodfobble and Urbane Guerrilla for your comments which are absolutely helpful to my efforts of removing it from the recommendation list.

So does this mean you're planning on presenting our quotes to some advisory board in China, as evidence that the essay should be removed from the list? I'm amused to think of myself and Urbane sitting side by side as competing expert witnesses in the hearing room...

sullage 10-27-2010 02:14 AM

check out page 149
this is literally a tongue exercise.

xoxoxoBruce 10-27-2010 02:39 AM

Excellent, sullage. :notworthy

1884, from an elocution teacher, no wonder it sounded so British.


Hey, wait a minute. Lewis Baxter Monroe died in 1879, and only published 3 readers, the 3rd in 1873.
Oh, it was published by Mrs Lewis Baxter Monroe.

glatt 10-27-2010 08:02 AM

Bravo sullage! You found it!

laywong 10-27-2010 08:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Clodfobble (Post 690690)
So does this mean you're planning on presenting our quotes to some advisory board in China, as evidence that the essay should be removed from the list? I'm amused to think of myself and Urbane sitting side by side as competing expert witnesses in the hearing room...

Take it easy, man~~I just want to erase it off the list recommended by some teachers.

laywong 10-27-2010 08:34 PM

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Originally Posted by sullage (Post 690716)
check out page 149
this is literally a tongue exercise.

You surely are amazing to have found this. I also found the essay at here, Seventh Readers by J. Baldwin. But when I dated it back to its original book in which this essay was published, UNDERBRUSH by JAMES T. FIELDS, it is a totally different essay. Seems like there was also a excerpt of the original but I am not sure if it was done by J. T. Fileds too.
By the way, is it legal to post the orginal essay here? I downloaded it from a website which I am not sure if is legal.

Undertoad 10-27-2010 08:52 PM

After a certain time period, all copies are legal. This item has passed the time period, several times over! :D

footfootfoot 10-27-2010 08:52 PM

The work is in "the public domain" which means anyone has the right to reproduce it. You are legal.


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