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The theory of evolution being and inclusive of, the Big Bang theory, the theory of star creation, and the creation of our solar system, and of this planet, creation of amino acids and other enzymes in a "primordial soup" from whence bacterial and other microorganisms spontaneously occured, then evolved and changed enough to create aquatic lifeforms, which evolved to amphibians, which evolved to whatever, to whatever, ad infinitem, basically life, as we know it, on this planet. THAT is not provable. Therefore it is NOT a fact. Period. |
Be careful about confusing the noun(faith) with the transitive verb(faith). That leads to all kinds of misunderstanding.:)
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Not believing in any god is faith.
faith n. 1. Confident belief in the truth, value, or trustworthiness of a person, idea, or thing. Therefore, if you BELIEVE there is NO god, (which not believing in any god is) then you have faith there is no God. I stand by the statement. |
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As a recovering drunkard, I think I can speak of this with some certainty. It was only after I stopped drinking that I truly was able to absorb the lessons I learned while being loaded, because when I was a drunk, there was no persepective. Strangely, not everything I learned from being drunk was bad, believe it or not. |
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Must have. Every textbook I've seen, as a child, and now in my children's books (if you have kids, you should read their textbooks at least once to see what's in them) present the information as fact. Not one of them said, "This is our best guess." That should be evident here with the people who are saying it is a fact. It's NOT a fact. It's a good idea. It's a great theory. But it is UNPROVABLE. Therefore it has to be believed without evidence. That's religion. |
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Evolution, the change of species over time, is an observed fact, verified experimentally. Natural selection, or "bacterial and other microorganisms ... evolved and changed enough to create aquatic lifeforms, which evolved to amphibians, which evolved to whatever, to whatever, ad infinitem, basically life, as we know it" is a theory explaining an evolutionary process, not a fact, but is a theory based on available evidence. Abiogenesis, or "creation of amino acids and other enzymes in a "primordial soup" from whence bacterial and other microorganisms spontaneously occured"creation of amino acids and other enzymes in a "primordial soup" from whence bacterial and other microorganisms spontaneously occured is likewise a theory. Experiments verify the aminos and enzymes, but no life has been experimentally created. The big bang theory is also a theory. New data is always coming in, which causes the theory to be adjusted. THAT is not provable. Therefore it is NOT a fact. Period. Nothing is provable in science. Only disprovable. And when I pointed out the distinction between evolution and natural selection in the other post, I stated that the natural selection part was not a fact. So obviously evolution + natural selection + abiogenesis + big bang is not a fact. Quote:
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Main Entry: 1faith Pronunciation: 'fAth Function: noun Inflected Form(s): plural faiths /'fAths, sometimes 'fA[th]z/ Etymology: Middle English feith, from Old French feid, foi, from Latin fides; akin to Latin fidere to trust -- more at BIDE Date: 13th century 1 a : allegiance to duty or a person : LOYALTY b (1) : fidelity to one's promises (2) : sincerity of intentions 2 a (1) : belief and trust in and loyalty to God (2) : belief in the traditional doctrines of a religion b (1) : firm belief in something for which there is no proof (2) : complete trust 3 : something that is believed especially with strong conviction; especially : a system of religious beliefs synonym see BELIEF - in faith : without doubt or question : VERILY You speak of 2, b, 1 ? That makes it faith not religion. |
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2b1 and 2b2 and 3. |
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Both are a belief, and therefore require faith. See webster post by Bruce. Quote:
Exactly. So if it's not a fact, why present it that way, TO THE EXCLUSION of every other possibility? Why not ALSO teach the creation theories of different religious belief systems as well? |
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BTW, I have faith in Webster's but I don't worship it. It's not a religion.
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Evolutionary Theory et al. is a religion. Therefore shouldn't be taught in public school. |
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I don't mean to say "anything you have faith in or believe in is a religion". If that is how all of this is coming off, then I need to rethink how to express my thoughts. What I am saying is that The Theory (as discussed as being the amalgamation of unprovable ideas leading from Big Bang to my species evolving from whatever) is not a fact. To present it to our children, specifically, AS FACT, is wrong. There is no more proof for The Theory than there is for Jehovah-God creating the whole thing in 7 days. My argument is not which one is correct. My argument is that we (as educators and parents and scientists) need to think about what we are presenting and HOW we are presenting it. Because it is not provable, because it is conjecture, because it is merely an idea that millions of people BELIEVE in and have FAITH in, with NO PROOF.... that makes it a religion. And either shouldn't be taught in school, or given equal time with other creation theories. I don't know how much clearer I can be or how to rephrase (or redefine, HM) what I'm trying to get across. |
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