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DanaC 12-22-2008 02:41 AM

The God of the Gaps.

Ruminator 12-22-2008 02:44 AM

Phage, really guy, lighten up a bit.

I purposely didn't post what details might be found to exist because at this point anyone's opinion is as good as any other. Sheesh. ;)

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The God of the Gaps.
No Dana, I posited no gods did I? This is just in line with the basic concept of a spiritual realm that we've been discussing.

DanaC 12-22-2008 02:46 AM

I didn't think Phage's response was out of keeping with the tone of the discussion.

Ruminator 12-22-2008 02:50 AM

Look at what Phage posted as my quote and what he derived from it.

For the purpose of discussion I was intentionally keeping the concept neutral of any specific perspective.

I'm hitting the hay now, talk to you later.

DanaC 12-22-2008 02:55 AM

Well, he perhaps phrased it harshly, but I don't think it was out of keeping with the thread at all.

Now, go sleep man! *smiles*

HungLikeJesus 12-22-2008 11:31 AM

As soon as I learned there was no Santa I knew that there could be no god, for what is a god but a Santa without limits?

Pico and ME 12-22-2008 12:31 PM

Really, when I was in first grade, I learned in one swell swoop that there wasn't an Easter Bunny, Santa Claus or Tooth Fairy. Must have been the beginning of me wondering what else are they were lying about.

Ruminator 12-23-2008 01:24 AM

I'll rephrase my thought to see if I can make it more clear.
We got sidetracked before from my thought and intent.

The fact that astrophysicists have identified a need for a minimum of eleven dimensions to exist in our universe creates possibilities for atheists who believe in a spirit realm.

This thought goes back to the early part of this thread where that was being discussed.

Phage0070 12-23-2008 08:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Ruminator (Post 516067)
I'll rephrase my thought to see if I can make it more clear.
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The fact that astrophysicists have identified a need for a minimum of eleven dimensions to exist in our universe creates possibilities for atheists who believe in a spirit realm.

I will rephrase my reply to see if I can make it more clear.

The presence of "the unknown" gives possibilities for atheists who believe in a spirit realm. The discovery of a minimum of eleven dimensions neither adds or subtracts from those possibilities.

As a general rule, the likelihood of a given theory being proven correct increases when evidence is found in its favor, not just when more evidence in general is found.

Pie 12-23-2008 08:39 AM

Phage, I like your statement.

From my point of view, I'd extend your description of the The "unknown" -- it also includes mass-less frictionless pink elephants that run the whole show, or the FSM, or any old gobbledy-gook man cares to invent this week.

Without evidence to support it, all explanations are equally implausible. That includes any "spiritual realm".

(Incidentally, this is why string theory gets such a bad rap from most physicists -- lack of testability. Whatinhell is the point of a theory that can't be tested, or held up to direct observation?!?)

Phage0070 12-23-2008 08:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Pie (Post 516102)
... Whatinhell is the point of a theory that can't be tested, or held up to direct observation?!?)

Research grants or "tithes".

Pie 12-23-2008 09:19 AM

:lol:

Ibby 12-23-2008 09:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Ruminator (Post 516067)
I'll rephrase my thought to see if I can make it more clear.
We got sidetracked before from my thought and intent.

The fact that astrophysicists have identified a need for a minimum of eleven dimensions to exist in our universe creates possibilities for atheists who believe in a spirit realm.

This thought goes back to the early part of this thread where that was being discussed.


No astrophysicist said there are eleven dimensions. What the guy you quoted said was, if there's a god, there would be like, eleven dimensions or something to contain that. ...somehow.

piercehawkeye45 12-23-2008 09:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Ibram (Post 516110)
No astrophysicist said there are eleven dimensions. What the guy you quoted said was, if there's a god, there would be like, eleven dimensions or something to contain that. ...somehow.

M-theory predicts 11 dimensions.

classicman 12-23-2008 12:08 PM

Do I hear 12 . . . anyone? anyone? May I have 12?
11 going once . . . 11 going twice . . .
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