Well it's not me either. I have no sock puppets here or anywhere else.

I'm just me. Aliantha with the (apparently) funny hair.

I always liked your hair.

It isn't me, either. Are we talking about applesauce?

Actually - applesauce or Kaluahhhhhhhh

I can't wait till jim posts in this thread.

I like your hair. You look like a young Tracey Ulman.

Thanks for the hair votes. lol

And for the record I dont think you're a cunt either :P

lol...thanks Dana! That's very nice to know.

I like your hair too. They're just jealous because they have worms for hair. lol

(This should get me some screen time over there!)

It'll probably get screen time over here too. lol

Very inventive.

He did.

Cowardly? Shitty and unpleasant, probably...but where does "cowardly" come in?

I have said nothing there that I haven't said here. Aliantha took some special time to dump all over me when I first came to this board...so it's not like I picked a fight with some fragile hothouse flower that doesn't like a good brawl.

Besides, Aliantha is more than welcome to reg at PD, and defend herself all she likes. We don't ban people for stuff like that, same policies as I've seen from Toad. Hell, I'll approve her account myself.



See above.

Yeah. We're like minature shit/puke volcanoes. Someone has to do it (otherwise the entire internet would be composed of folks like you, the 700 Club, porn vendors, and horrible shit like this: http://www.premaclinic.com/ <--- Safe for work, believe it or not.

Well, then it's fortunate that your opinion amounts to jack and shit, because Kali is probably the only PDer that is - or was - still willing to talk to you like you were actual people, instead of an insular pack of howler monkeys and Asperger victims.

That's what keeps me coming back here. It's kind of like being an anthropologist studying some horribly inbred village of fishwife harridans in some backwater town in some shithole like Sierra Leone or even Australia.

You were spewing your shit all over this place for days and days before I even had any interaction with you, and even then it was because of a smart arse comment you made in response to a post I made and I didn't even respond to you then.

I've said it before and I've said it again. I have no interest in visiting your forum, particularly if I'm just going to get the same shit from you there as I do here. Why bother?

I don't know about the rest of your mates there, but you are a troublemaker, and obviously proud of it. And you're trolling again.

Rubbish. I was restricting my crap to the political board, and apparently my "spewing shit" was "disagreeing with the right wing nutjobs".

Do or don't. I was just pointing out to Dana that you are more than welcome to do so.


Bosh. In some societies, I am revered as a figure of calm and serenity. Sort of like the Buddha, but you aren't required to rub my disgustingly hirsute belly. In fact, I discourage it, as I am tired of the lawsuits brought by the unfortunates who insist on doing so and then act all surprised when they get syphilis spirochetes the size of those worm thingies in Tremors.



Am not. I am a simple man of the cloth, spreading a message of peace and love on the internets.

Well since Asshole had to come back over here. Dunno why - just knowing he is posting is "intolerably irritating" to me, anyway.

There is a thread there called SO, ARAFELIS: Trying to stir shit? I refuse to link it. The Cellar was brought up several times. I'll save all of you the trouble of going thru a 16 page thread full of immature animated gifs and let you all draw your own opinions.

Then more of referring to lumberjim

You act like the magic is gone, Classicman. :(

Also, Cain came over here being nice (and trying to calm the shitstorm I sort of kind of accidentally started), and you all shat all over him. You expected him to stay nice about that?

More often than not I disagree with them myself, so please try not to get too confused.

You can find yourself an easy out with this one by simply admitting you got the wrong idea and moving on.

Otherwise, hold a grudge. You seem to be pretty good at it, along with forming grossly impaired opinions of the posters here.

Ultimately I really don't give a hairy rats arse what you think, but I take exception to people making up utter lies to suit themselves. It's all there for anyone to have a look at. All they have to do is look up your posts right from the start and they'll see I had no interaction with you for quite some time, and that you were the one to start it. As I said, I actively avoided all of the PD posters because I knew it'd end up in a shit fight.

So look, if you were offended by something I said to you in the politics forum, I'll apologize instead of telling you to stop being such a nancy if you like. Otherwise, suck it up like everyone else does and get over it.

I see you lurking there Tiki. Now would be a good time to tell your friend Roger that I was only ever nice to you even when mostly everyone else here had had a gutful for whatever reason.

I hope you recognize that and are a big enough person to admit it.

"all of" in this case is "two posters" who post at both forums (nice us and them attitude BTW, it really helps create the get over it attitude you promote) and the two posters from pd you hate don't represent "all of us" any more than the one poster from pd that you don't seem to mind does...

I don't hate any of you. I don't even know enough about any of you to form an opinion of you individually. My opinion is based completely on the amount of shit that has spilled over here since the 'safari' shit went wrong, so if I seem to have an us and them attitude, that is the only reason why.

I don't know who the two posters are you think I hate, nor the one that I don't seem to mind is either.

What it gets down to is that if people are going to post here, I'd prefer not to be continually reminded that I 'attacked' them as soon as they arrived, when it is clearly not true. So, TGRR can either decide at this point to attempt some kind of reconcilliation, or he can continue to stir shit.

Whatever he decides to do will reflect on whether or not he is as reasonable as he claims to be, or whether he's just another internet troll.

I'll even start the ball rolling.

I humbly apologize for any slight, either real or imagined that I may have made against TGRR and hope that he can forgive me and move forward.

That's what she said at PD, just now. Apparently, she CAN'T say it here, because she's been banned from posting.

For some reason.

Likewise, and if this is all a misunderstanding - which it seems to be - then I apologize for that as well.

Oh, wait. Never mind.

Good. Then let's all move on.

Can't. I'm a nancy, and Tiki's been banned.

there are only three people from pd who have ever posed here as far as i know, two of which seem to be the center of the storm, one tried to mediate.
i lurk once in a while since the safari which i saw both ends of and i know for a fact has created no ill will on Pd's side, any drama around the safari is strictly on this end ..

Not strictly true.

Tiki tried to meet new people. I had fun yanking on peoples' legs, plus I had a lot of fun with the drama bit.

Odd thing is, it was Tiki that got banned.

I'm not responsible for anything that happened to Tiki.

eta: and FWIW, I think there were some issues with some things she said, but I also think she was goaded by some members. A bit of both really. I don't think she deserved to be banned though, but I guess if you piss the boss off enough it can happen.

I never said you were in any way responsible. I simply wished to tell you that she in fact HAD said that you had been decent, but was forced to do so at PD, as she had been banned here.

And I have no idea why she was banned, but the last thing she had posted was a request to have some poems deleted after some people shat on them.

Goaded? Yeah, I'd say so.

:lol2:

She doesn't appear on the list of banned users.

You certainly may if you wish, but you would rapidly lose much of your distinguishing conversational and logical characteristics. I like being able to recognize you by your voice, and speaking from a strictly selfish perspective, I hope you do not act on this dumb idea.

Nor does she appear on the list of members.

What gives?

Dear classicman:

Please stop referring to Tiki as psychobitch etc, etc. I find it as offensive and disgusting as it is useless and wrong, which is to say, *extremely so*.

Thank you, sir.

Yours,

Don't know, but I do know she wasn't banned in the usual manner.

Thank you xoB for the swift reply.

TGRR: fair enough, I probably went overboard a little. However, I still don't get your attitude to Ali. And I still don't like the way this has spread onto a different board.

As to Cain: I was somewhat pissed off that whilst he was happy to tell your board all about the people who responded badly to his diplomacy, he never mentined the fact that some of us had responded well.

And as to there only being a couple of people over there who hate us; that's clearly not true. A cursory read through of that Arefelis thread shows that several people have reached that conclusion. Not that this bothers me particularly, as the same can be said of us.

The Us and Them attitude sprang up when 'They' came to 'Our' board and started shit storms. I really couldn't care less what happens outside this board, except where it is blatantly unfair (re: Ali).

Reading through your boards there seems to be a culture which grudgingly admires successful trolling and has pride in an ability to raise hackles (see the comments there about stuff said on googlechurch or whatever it's called). Personally, I don't think that's the case here. As someone said the clue's in the name 'discordia'. Well...the clue's in our rules, which describe us as a 'friendly coffee shop without the shop and without any coffee' (used to be our tagline).

This is or was a slowpaced little coffee bar where people gather to chat and put the world to rights. Occasionally we fight amongst ourselves. Occasionally someone comes in and provokes a 'team' like response.

I'd respectfully suggest that what we absolutely don't want, or need, is 'discord'.

As for Tiki: maybe she's been going through a bad time or something; but she was completely off the wall with Lj. It got ridiculous and disruptive. All history now and I wish her well. But start firing shots at 'Us' and it does tend to get unpleasant. As it should. In fact it should have got more unpleasant a damn sight sooner imo. We are a community. In some ways we are a gang (or a collection of sub-gangs :P) I'm happy with that and hope it continues to be the case. No, we are not unwelcoming of newcomers. But nor are we obliged to be nice. This is our tree house: we want it how we want it and it's up to newcomers to either add to that in their unique ways and be welcomed; or cause rifts and fall-outs in whch case the welcome may cease.

I'd be very surprised if Tiki has actually been banned. Most people who get banned from this site have been so on their own request. In the entire time I've been here I've only known two people get banned without their requesting it and one was unbanned within a few hours.



[eta] @ BigV. Perhaps Lj's friends find it offensive when Tiki keeps referring to Lj as a 'histrionic little cunt' I know I do. But then I find that word offensive when used in anger.

One more point and then I am done with this stupid situation:

Lj tried to offer an olive branch to Tiki. he tried to be diplomatic and shoulder his part of the blame in the argument. As seemed typical of Tiki's time here, when presented with a choice of either a positive or a negative reading of someone's words, she decided to read that as him being forced to 'admit he overreacted' (quote from PD). When someone says they overreacted that's a cue that they are looking for peace. Not for Tiki though: she smelled 'victory' and went in for the kill. She threw that olive branch right back in his face and upped her game. Lj pulled back at that point and tried to stop interacting with her. Until she started launching attacks on his wife. It was at this point that Lj started to get nasty with her, as opposed to his usual slightly abrasive humour. You should get that V. Guys defend their gals, right? Only after that did he start goading her and following her around. Because (and again I think you probably get this) he was angry. Angrier than I have seen him in a very long time.

All this could have been avoided had Tiki taken the olive branch that was offered. But as I say: when presented with a positive or negative reading of someone's words, she would typically take a negative one. Just like she did with Toad. Just like she did with me. Just like she did with a lot of people. Doesn't make her a bad person. Does make it awfully difficult to interact with her.

She wound up in Email Confirmation mode. This means she changed her email address and didn't respond to the required email check. I asked all moderators and none of them did anything.

Well now what will they point to as justification? :eyebrow:

Will there be a retraction of THIS misinformation over at Happy Acres?

Who cares. Screw the lot of them. I welcome anyone who wants to join the fun but don't be dicks as a matter of participation in some organized fashion.

:corn:

:bitching::lol2:

Classicman, I never said

So rectify your post.

If you had bothered to read the thread in question properly, you would see that Tiki AKA Nigel said that in response to my annoyance at my attempts at explaining things being met with attack by certain people.

I'm going to be charitable, and assume this was a mistake. However, keep on misrepresenting me or attempting to cast doubt on my motives, and that will change.

Actually, I was born in Australia. And spent several years studying in Scotland. So I'm from further south and north than you.

I had a flick through them. Nothing deep and exhaustive, but a couple of illuminating reads.

That's nice. I didn't just rely on her testimony before coming to my conclusion.

Anyway, its not really my place or choice to come here and defend other people. Nigel seems to want it dropped and going by your most recent posts on PD, so do you. So hopefully, this will be the last that either of us speaks of it, right?

I can appreciate the question might need to be asked, but your tone was not exactly well thought out. Remember, I haven't initiated a single fight or problem over here. I have done nothing apart from occasionally give my view on current events or talk about what I'm reading. I haven't acted in a hostile way, and treating someone in such a manner will only help create hostility where there doesn't need to be any.

Cain, Kovalev, Karpov, Kahlua ... whatever your name is today....

I copied the posts as I saw them. That site is difficult to follow. Too many immature animated gifs and bullshit clutter. Not to mentions the way quotes come out. That being said, If you would like to repost that particular quote in its entirety - do so. If I was incorrect, I'll apologize.

However, as I said previously, I am skeptical of the intentions of anyone from PD.
You are self admitted trolls.
Best thing would be to simply go away. Now I am done feeding you - ktxbai.

Your fellow forum dwellers seem to disagree. Apparently I have a magical trolling technique where I can troll by not trolling. Very Taoist. After all, if I'm that good without even realizing it, what would happen if really concentrated?

Yes. On yours and his behalf. I mean, do you really believe these poor attempts at baiting me are going to work?

If you want to get a reaction, please try harder.

Its very easy to tell the difference between a proxy and real IP. No hostname, suspicious locations (China, Taiwan) or a tor-node appearing in the hostname if there is one. Or the IP resolves to a cgi proxy site.

I'm not so savvy as to know how to hack Sky's pay for wireless internet. I wish I was, it'd certainly be cheaper.

:blah:

I'm sorry, I'm having a hard time taking any of this really seriously.

I'll work on my "tone" so as not to offend...I must learn to pre-think my "tone." I hear that a lot.

:)

That's very funny. If a troll trolls, and no-one notices the trolling, then is it really a troll?

You seem to have issues with PD. Would you like to talk about it? I'd like to know what I have done to offend you, if anything, since I cannot recall ever really conversing with you before.

Naturally, though, I cannot be held responsible for the actions of other people.

So...if a troll falls in the woods and there's noone there tohear it, does it make a sound?

Unfortunately, the context of the thread isn't exactly about Cellar dwellers we do like or get on with. No news is good news and all that.

You'll note however, I named the people who had problems with me by name. I made sure of that. I didn't go out of my way to have a go at the Cellar in its entirety, only those individuals who I had a problem with.

I assumed those interested would come over and see those I had no problem with anyway, or make up their own minds.

However I apologize if you feel slighted by this, as well as the others among you who defended me.

Fair enough kali. No apology necessary. I was perhaps a little irritable by that point in proceedings :P

Aw, thats sweet.

I might put that up in our forum news. The rap lyrics are getting tired, now...