oh, and I disagree that MSNBC is biased.

I'm not surprised.

You can't have it both ways.

Well monkey - maybe the people you hang around are racists and biased based upon something as insignificant as another persons color, but not in my world.
Stop promoting that partisan bullshit, and yes, it's BULLSHIT.

Why is it, when its the other side, its always partisan bullshit, but when its your own side, its the truth?

lol - ask yourself that question. Perhaps it will allow for some enlightenment.

There isn't a lot of anger or animosity among the people I hang around, so I'm not sure where you're coming from there.

But if "a LOT of the anger out there IS because we have a black man as president, and a lot of the animosity IS race driven" "among the uninformed/ignorant", then the premise that "a LOT of the anger out there IS because we have a black man as president, and a lot of the animosity IS race driven" isn't bullshit.

I think the problem here is that "only among the uninformed and ignorant" could mean "only among X% of the population" where the value of X could be higher than most of us would like to admit.

That's a pretty big "only" group, by quite a lot of estimates.

I'm not going to say that MSNBC is unbiased, just that they are more credible than Fox. I'm still trying to find left wing nutjobs that MSNBC has given a platform to on par with Ann Coulter's access to Fox.

I watch Morning Joe on MSNBC with a former moderate Republican Congressman as host frequently flanked by Pat Buchanan a conservative Republican/Independent.

When Barney Frank gets to host a show on Fox with Al Gore as a guest, I'll declare them less biased.

Rich.

When the lefty NY Times publishes conservative voices for its opinions columns, it tries hard to get the most solid thinkers it can. David Brooks, and now, Ross Douthat. That's credibility. Putting Pat Buchanan on as your token conservative means you're actually harder left, and less credible. You've chosen a voice that is A) not well representative of conservativism, B) often deeply anti-Semitic/racist and C) easily dismissed.

I've never made the claims you do about partisan bullshit.

That's fine. From my perspective, it is very easy to see.

You already conceded that "if" when you said a LOT of the anger out there IS because we have a black man as president, and a lot of the animosity IS race driven

Incorrect, I never said that. I initially disagreed with her statement and still do. Sorry. Again, for the record - I disagree with that premise except perhaps,