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Griff 03-19-2008 12:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Shawnee123 (Post 440023)
Hillary is Al? Srsly?

truly
That is why the Dems lose the general election to McCrazyperson if she is the nominee.

Undertoad 03-19-2008 01:01 PM

We thought Clinton would screw up the economy. We were wrong.

piercehawkeye45 03-19-2008 01:20 PM

Obama was just covering his ass, his target audience was quite obvious.

The speech was nice but I think it lacked major depth. He mentioned many times of the problems we have in our society but nothing of how to solve them or the sacrifices needed to solve them. Yes, a unified America is needed for change but the civil rights movement would never have happened if people weren't attacked by police dogs and soaked with fire hoses on a regular basis.

He said that a disparity exists between white and black schools, but the solution he even hinted at was that whites will start having to fund black schools, which I don't think will work.

aimeecc 03-19-2008 01:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Griff (Post 440025)
truly
That is why the Dems lose the general election to McCrazyperson if she is the nominee.

The latest polls have McCain down only 1 or two points versus either Obama or Clinton. Statistically a tie, considering the error factor.

I think the Dems are going to lose either way. There's too many unknowns on Obama - which the Republicans will play very well. Clinton. Well, she's Hillary Clinton. So McCain it is.

McCain isn't McCrazyperson. He won't be bad. Honestly, none of them will be bad. Each has strengths and weaknesses.

I just wish it was Nov already so we can get the election over with. I'm tired of it already and we haven't even finished the primaries.

Griff 03-19-2008 01:48 PM

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Originally Posted by piercehawkeye45 (Post 440039)
He said that a disparity exists between white and black schools, but the solution he even hinted at was that whites will start having to fund black schools, which I don't think will work.

Actually, ideas to do just that at the state level have been floated. There has been a lot of tinkering with property taxes for "clean and green" (PA's version) and property tax relief for farmers and retirees. This shifting burden pisses people off. I could see it sneaking through in the form of state taxes combined with property taxes so rich people can still get better schools and the poor get minimum funding. Of course this moves us further toward ending locally controlled school, but the Kennedite/Busherian ultra-nationalists already support that. (I'm having fun with words here but srysl that style funding is not out of the question.)

Griff 03-19-2008 01:54 PM

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Originally Posted by aimeecc (Post 440043)
McCain isn't McCrazyperson. He won't be bad. Honestly, none of them will be bad. Each has strengths and weaknesses.


lookout123 03-19-2008 02:19 PM

is he the only candidate to say some stupid shit?


Griff 03-19-2008 02:50 PM

Wow. That was stupid. McCain swung right by stupid to land on evil though.

lookout123 03-19-2008 02:55 PM

eh, i thought it was pretty stereotypical midwest humor that fit right in with his surroundings. the guy's a career politician, he slipped into character.

Griff 03-19-2008 02:57 PM

we're in worse shape than i thought

lookout123 03-19-2008 02:58 PM

what? you didn't realize they were politicians?

Griff 03-19-2008 03:03 PM

i had this idea that midwesterners cared about stuff like the price of corn and wheat and left the bomb fantasies to hollywood

Radar 03-19-2008 03:09 PM

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Originally Posted by aimeecc (Post 440043)
I think the Dems are going to lose either way.

The Dems will win no matter what. They could have video of Obama doing Clinton with 2 girlscouts and a boyscout on a pile of crack cocaine while taking a crap on the American flag and McCain still would have absolutely no chance. Keep in mind that double the number of Americans have voted for Obama than McCain and that's just half of the Democratic Party.

America is sick to death of Republicans. They are even more fiscally irresponsible and dishonest than Democrats...which I thought couldn't be done.

Nothing the Democrats do will prevent them from winning, and nothing the Republicans do will prevent them from failing.

lookout123 03-19-2008 03:15 PM

6 words: dead girl or a live boy

Radar 03-19-2008 03:23 PM

The Dems wouldn't lose if Obama was having a 3-way with both.


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