Nope. If he's been on PD before - and I doubt it - then he had a different IP and style of posting.

He's a new member of the site and nothing more. He wasn't even signed up when the sarfari happened.

Gosh...doesn't that safari thing seem a loooong time ago now?

No worries, I almost certainly wont.

However, I think the threat to do so highlighted the original problem in how Classicman was going about this - which was of course my aim.

So you do have a problem with me - OK.
Because I am distrustful of people from PD who have repeatedly proven and admitted themselves to be trolls. Well gee, now you want to come over here and play the whole good cop thing - and then tell me I'm being unreasonable for being suspicious? FAIL.

Ok, so what is your intention in even attempting to drag this issue out through repeated discussion? Why would you go back to PD and make the comments that you have been quoted as making? Why are you still posting on both places about this?

Its only misinformation if its deliberately spread, and since I certainly didn't know this was what happened, I doubt that is the case.

Either way, I have passed on a public message, in the thread to Nigel, to tell her what Undertoad said.

Guys (merc. classic) ...maybe we should just let this all settle back down again? We're kind of going in circles no?

Perhaps Dana, but again some asshole from PD came over here and started shit AGAIN. We did not seek it out.

Yea. I am really bored with it all. I was just wondering what really motivated this one person to be the spokesperson defending what most of us agree was nothing more than admitted trolling behavior by people from their forum.

I'm saying, you tell classic to rectify his post...rectify the misinfo you have going on over there. That's fair, is it not?

Its Cain on PD, Kaliayev here. Its not hard, you can just cut and paste the names.

You can turn all the graphics off, if they bug you that much. However, since so many people seem to be able to navigate them without problem, that you do seem to get confused seems to confirm the misunderstanding hypothesis.

The correct post is as follows:


And I didn't respond.

Please explain how me talking things over in a calm and considered fashion can be considered trolling? I am honestly fascinated by this concept. I mean sure, in theory it is possible, but if anything, you're trolling yourself with your suspicions about me, when I am only acting in an open and non-hostile manner. Could I have some fiendishly clever plan to subvert the site? Possibly. But since you cannot seem to find any evidence for it, except to continually call me a troll, I can only assume you haven't found one.

I'd tell you because that's because there such a plan, but then we'd run into the wall of your circular logic again.

Sometimes Classicman, a cigar really is just a cigar.

Y'know Merc, I think it was a genuine attempt at diplomacy from one of their board 'elders' (for want of a better word). Whether or not it worked, whether or not it was well-received and whether or not he read us right, I think it was well-meant. We have (not without reason) gone a little tribal on him. So ...kind of provoked a less diplomatic tone at times. But seriously, I think he was just trying to make peace/get things on an even keel and also (possibly) defend his friends. That's a fair enough thing to do isn't it?

It is kinda silly, yeah. But a lot of people seem to be getting upset by it easily.

No problems. Now I've spoken with you more, I think I have a better "feel" for how you communicate, and think our earlier problems were just crossed wires. It happens sometimes. I'm cool if you are.

Well, its a trick question, because woods are never really empty. Plus, its vibrations and stuff in the air...

Cool, no worries then.

I'm cool. My sense of humor is, to say the least, sarcastic. My temper is infamous. ;)

I've found I'm much less upset by this whole thing than when KNOWN dwellars are being dickheads to a dwellar I happen to like, that's for sure. That to me is worth 17 pages of posts, this is just...um...kind of fun. I'm weird like that.

:)

It is. Except when your friends behave like asses. I can't support anyone who defends TGRR.

You don't have to support him, honey *smiles*. But I'm sure you can respect his attempts to make peace, no?

I read the PD thread. Apologize, classic, because you fucked up, and do feel free to settle down now.

just because somebody is a self admitted troll doesn't mean every word they post on the Internet is trolling, or that trolling is the purpose of there visiting every site they go to, i cant comment on their motives with any certainty, but knowing the people that do cross post here it is very much reasonable to assume they came here looking for friendship, lively political debate and the coffee shop environment. if you treat a person like they are trolling and repeatedly accuse them of trolling, at some point they will say "well hell if this is the response i get from these people i might as well escalate the hostility", and any chance of them becoming a member of this group is gone..

if the some of the cross posters have abrasive aspects to there communication style "so what" so do some of your regulars why is it trolling from some and accepted from others?

No, I have a problem with my interactions with you so far. I don't even know you, how could I have a problem with you.

Wait, let me try and parse that sentence. You have a problem with PD who have already shown themselves to be trolls, or you have problems with PD because everyone from there is a troll? I'm not sure I know which meaning you are aiming for, and the sentence structure isn't helping.

I'm not "playing" at anything. I'm sorry you think I am. You are being suspicious without good reason. You are using the actions of others to blame me and ascribing to me motives that are not apparent. What possible gain is there in me acting like this, except for attaining my stated aim? Please explain this, because I really do not understand how talking and explaining is "trolling" you.

I just want to know who the troll posting from West Chester is. Did we figure that out yet (I've just been skimming)?

My intention in coming back was to clear up some misapprehensions that seem to have arisen. My posts on PD have been adequately explained, I feel.

I'm sorry that you and Classicman seem to think discussion, apologizing and correcting misunderstandings are trollings. All I can say is that I hope this place never gets attacked by real trolls. If you think this is anything near what they would do...well, you're sorely mistaken, to say the least.

As far as I know, we never cleared that up Jinx.

I hadn't read that far yet. And when I did, I fixed up the misunderstanding immediately. I was using TGRR's post search to get to the thread, Classicman's post was the first one I came across, then I went backwards and worked my way through the thread.

Anyway, I have posted a clarification in the thread in question, so hopefully now both sides both know the truth about the respective misunderstandings.

We have been. Though, I believe we acquired at least one really cool member from it.

OK>>>>late response:

Let's not pile all over classic, huh? Perhaps we don't need a scapegoat, for once. He hardly "started" this mess, as no one individual did, and as far as I can see he is sticking up for friends.

But, whuddever.

Agreed Shawnee. He did get it wrong on who posted that comment; but he has explained that he had difficulty reading through the thread and identifying who said what. I know I find the board style a little difficult to navigate.

I apologize for my unintentional mistake in copying the quotes.
I'll solve that this way - I'm taking a break from interacting with you. How is that. I'll be the bad guy and go sit in time out.

I'm not defending anyone. Please point out where I have defended TGRR in this thread? Really, because while maybe I did, in a throwaway comment or something that wasn't the main thrust of my post, but I don't recall defending him at all. He's more than capable of speaking for himself, he doesn't need me to help.

Does that mean you'll be joining Shawnee on the naughty step ?;P



[eta] and if so, can I come too?

A new member to PD. We picked up him from Livejournal, which to be honest explains a lot. By my preference, he'd go right back there.

Trust me when I say he is about as liked at PD as he is here.

Just making sure, we're talking about the OP, Arafelis, right?

As do I, and I didn't fact check...I assumed...which made an Ass of U and, apparently, classic.

Come on, I'm trying for levity here folks. Work with me. :D

Apology accepted.

Well, if you feel its necessary. You don't need to, you could just treat me like you would any other member. That's all I'm asking, that I not be treated as some threatening, lying outsider.

Outlander!

I've set up camp on the naughty step. Next thing you know Sister Frances will make me beat blackboard erasers together for punishment. (The joke was on her: it was fun and most of the chalk ended up on the building.)

But, I might let classic and you join me if you give me your peanut butter sandwiches at lunch?!?

Right, well I'm going to have a coffee, put up a couple of wardrobes and read a copy of the Blackwell Companion to Political Theology.

Later, everyone.

or they could just think "Hey, this isn't the forum for lively and interesting discussion I was looking for", and stop participating.

By upping the ante they are playing the game.

The real question is will this thread break 300 before the end of the day?

Edit: Crap, this doesn't bode well for hitting 300.

Still :corn:



and doing my part to get teh post count to 300.

so only established long time users can be themselves and engage in lively discussion? newcomers must adopt some alternate personality and posting style? where are the rules for what type of personality i need to adopt, how lively my discussion can get and how long i need to be this other person before i can post enthusiastically as myself?

Watch thou for the mutant I say.
It's all fun and games until you see the footprint in the sand.

Presumably not all at the same time right? *grins*

Well with enough coffee...

....and Shiva arms..

Ok. I accept that.

That sounds pretty threatening.

Nah. I suspect he's referring to other groups. I have no doubt that PD has been targetted before now. Let's face it, we have.

Right below here...

We have a lovely ignore feature. He speaks in the forest of trees.

I am the LORAX. I speak for the TREES.

:D

Principia Discordia, just another forum.

No sir! No sir! It is not "just another" forum! It is THE forum. For those with discriminating tastes.

Please cease and desist with this slanderous skullduggery, or I shall have to... actually... not do anything...



...under this username.

And of course there are these:

Political parties
Democratic Party (Indonesia) (Partai Demokrat)
Democratic Party of Albania (Partia Demokratike)
Democratic Liberal Party (Romania) (Partidul Democrat)
Democratic Party (Italy) (Partito Democratico)
People's Democracy, a defunct political organization in Ireland
Progressive Democrats, political party in the Republic of Ireland
Democratic Party – demokraci.pl (Partia Demokratyczna – demokraci.pl) , Poland

Physical sciences
Palladium (chemical element symbol)
Partial discharge, an undesirable discharge phenomenon in high voltage dielectrics
Photodiode
Potential difference

Medicine
Parkinson's disease, a degenerative neurological condition
Peritoneal dialysis
Personality disorder
Physical Diagnosis, a course in Medical School
Polydipsia
Progressive disease, oncology term
Pupillary distance in optometry
Paleolithic diet, a diet based on presumed ancient diet

Computer programs
Perfect Dark (P2P), a Japanese peer-to-peer file-sharing (P2P) application designed for use with Microsoft Windows
Pure Data the graphical audio-processing language
PointDragon the general-purpose, web-based visual programming language

Video games
Perfect Dark (series), a series of video games that includes the following titles:
Perfect Dark, the first video game in the series for the Nintendo 64
Perfect Dark (Game Boy Color)
Pokémon Diamond and Pearl, fourth instalments of Pokémon game
Polyphony Digital, developer of the Gran Turismo series.
Princess Daisy, a Nintendo character

Math and computer science
Prisoner's dilemma
Projective determinacy, a proposition in set theory

Places
Province of Padua, Italy

Economics and business
Probability of default, used in finance (Basel II)
Professional degree, or First professional degree
Professional development
Personal development, as used in the self-development and personal growth industry
Program director

Law, government, and society
Property damage liability, in insurance
Public defender
Public domain
Police department
Preventive detention

Other
Pushing Daisies, an American Broadcasting Company television show
Period, alternative name for Full stop, as used in coded military communication (e.g., WWII)
Peu difficile, a French climbing/mountaineering grade
Phase-change Dual, an optical media format
Phelps Dodge a former American mining company, now part of Freeport-McMoRan.
The Plain Dealer (newspaper), Cleveland, Ohio, USA newspaper
Point-defence as a prefix for weapons
Porter Airlines (IATA airline designator)
Post Diaspora, in the Honorverse series of science fiction novels
Principia Discordia, a holy text in Discordianism
Privatdozent, title/position especially in the German university
Production diary, in film-making
Pumpe Düse, a Volkswagen Group name for Unit Injector diesel engine technology

See also
Pee Dee

:D

Is it like Bloody Mary where if you say it three times they show up?

lol
Yeah...that helps Merc.

How about pissy disposition?

You rang?

300

ok boys ...you can go home now.