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xoxoxoBruce 08-31-2010 08:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Gravdigr (Post 679648)
For the life of me I cannot find the link to where I found these, they had several more that weren't quite as weird.

Try here http://www.weirdomatic.com/creepy-ads.html

Gravdigr 08-31-2010 10:45 PM

That's a different, but better, site. It has most of the ones from the other site.

Gravdigr 09-03-2010 03:35 PM

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A dose of WTF before I go...

skysidhe 09-04-2010 09:31 AM

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[@ gravdigr's granny pic]well that's one way to get your feet wet.

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mural by Sebastian

TheMercenary 09-04-2010 09:48 AM

The numbers were probably from this article or something similar.

http://www.congress.org/news/2009/11...itary_suicides

Their numbers are wrong according to Global Security ( http://www.globalsecurity.org/milita...casualties.htm ). 233 is the total killed in Iraq for 09.

And it does not count the number killed in Afganistan (318; http://articles.latimes.com/2010/jan...ths1-2010jan01 ), so it is misleading.

Not to diminish the scope of the problem..... but it is not factual.

skysidhe 09-04-2010 09:50 AM

I thought the number might be higher, but it's startling anyway.

It's also the reason I put it in the wtf thread. Thanks for the links,though.

Undertoad 09-04-2010 09:56 AM

And the use of the word "Soldiers" is wrong.

TheMercenary 09-04-2010 10:06 AM

Yea, I would bet a bunch of them were Marines.

Undertoad 09-04-2010 10:09 AM

And Sailors and Airmen - the print is really small, but to the left of the suicide count it says "army" "marines" etc. plus there were probably Guardsmen killed in Iraq...

Lamplighter 09-04-2010 10:54 AM

I find it a little sad that there is spin/correction about this image.

The importance is that the numbers on the left even exist at all.

skysidhe 09-04-2010 11:16 AM

Yes, the suicides are startling.

TheMercenary 09-04-2010 11:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Lamplighter (Post 680583)
I find it a little sad that there is spin/correction about this image.

The importance is that the numbers on the left even exist at all.

A point to be made is that we are paying attention to the problem. How many Vietnam Vets had the same problem, how about Korea and WW2 vets? We will never know. But I would venture to guess that the number is much larger if we could measure them. And of course back then the measurement tools would be different so I don't know if you could compare and contrast.

Lamplighter 09-04-2010 01:00 PM

I don't have any idea about the Korean Vets... I don't remember anything in the news about them having problems upon their return to the States.

But it was an open secret that the Nam vets were having problems when they returned, and neither the VA nor the DOD was willing to see it as "their's responsibility".

Military people are fond of saying that each war is fought with the previous war's strategy. The stresses on military families, particularly the National Guard, during the Irag/Afganistan conflicts have been enormous.

So I'm angry that it has taken so long for the VA to even start coming to grip with military suicides. It's as though it takes public humiliation to get the VA/DOD moving on a real problem that they should have seen coming.

Gravdigr 09-04-2010 02:59 PM

I've read that the accidental death rates for combatants that have come home exceeds the death rates for troops in actual combat.

That's fucked up.

TheMercenary 09-04-2010 04:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Gravdigr (Post 680621)
I've read that the accidental death rates for combatants that have come home exceeds the death rates for troops in actual combat.

That's fucked up.

Not unusual for this day and age. It is a dangerous work environment. It is a tribute to the advancements we have made on the battlefield.


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