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Aliantha 06-20-2010 09:57 PM
I don't think all conservatives are conservative due to religious beliefs either. In fact, most of the conservatives I know are what they are for financial gain rather than religious beliefs.

spudcon 06-21-2010 12:45 AM
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Originally Posted by Happy Monkey (Post 664594)
No she isn't.
Do not speak about events you know nothing about. Stick to your theories.

spudcon 06-21-2010 12:48 AM
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Originally Posted by Undertoad (Post 664510)
Maybe they were put here to solve overpopulation and unwanted children.

I don't think you should believe in both anti-abortion and predestination though. That person lived the life they were destined to live, right? Brevity is not part of the question, especially if you believe in an eternal soul. The soul in that mass of cells is certainly in heaven now. Good job well done, don'tcha think?
The only overpopulation problem we have in the US is from illegal aliens. We actually have an underpopulation problem.

Aliantha 06-21-2010 12:49 AM
I'm not positive, but i'm pretty sure HM meant that clearly your friend is not a collection of useless cells simply by the virtue of having a worthwhile life (or at least it seems that that was what you were alluding to spud).

TheMercenary 06-21-2010 04:27 AM
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Originally Posted by Aliantha (Post 664875)
I don't think all conservatives are conservative due to religious beliefs either. In fact, most of the conservatives I know are what they are for financial gain rather than religious beliefs.
There is a lot of truth in that statement.

Happy Monkey 06-21-2010 02:35 PM
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Originally Posted by spudcon (Post 664906)
Do not speak about events you know nothing about. Stick to your theories.
From the stated data that she is 60, and your friend, I concluded she isn't a blastocyst. I don't think my "theory" is on shaky ground.

Redux 06-21-2010 04:17 PM
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Originally Posted by Aliantha (Post 664875)
I don't think all conservatives are conservative due to religious beliefs either. In fact, most of the conservatives I know are what they are for financial gain rather than religious beliefs.
In the larger context of conservatism, that may be the case.

In the US, the conservative movement is dominated by those whose guiding principles are the sanctity of life, the sanctity of marriage, the sanctity of guns and the sanctity of Jesus Christ.

Any deviation from any of the above puts you at odds with the hard core American conservatives.

TheMercenary 06-21-2010 04:50 PM
Well that leaves me out.

Redux 06-21-2010 04:53 PM
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Originally Posted by TheMercenary (Post 665141)
Well that leaves me out.
Yep.

And, IMO, i think it is why the social conservatives who currently dominate the Republican party and the Tea Party advocates (fiscal conservatives/libertarians) will find it very difficult to co-exist under one banner....there is a fundamental clash of priorities.

spudcon 06-21-2010 07:04 PM
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Originally Posted by Redux (Post 665129)
In the larger context of conservatism, that may be the case.

In the US, the conservative movement is dominated by those whose guiding principles are the sanctity of life, the sanctity of marriage, the sanctity of guns and the sanctity of Jesus Christ.

Any deviation from any of the above puts you at odds with the hard core American conservatives.
You forgot the sanctity of the constitution and the rule of law.

spudcon 06-21-2010 07:08 PM
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Originally Posted by Redux (Post 665142)
Yep.

And, IMO, i think it is why the social conservatives who currently dominate the Republican party and the Tea Party advocates (fiscal conservatives/libertarians) will find it very difficult to co-exist under one banner....there is a fundamental clash of priorities.
You're right. Co-existance under one banner with conservatives and libertarians would be impossible. Different philosophies.

Redux 06-21-2010 09:25 PM
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Originally Posted by spudcon (Post 665212)
You forgot the sanctity of the constitution and the rule of law.
The rule of law says first trimester abortion is legal and Jesus Christ doesnt belong in the classroom and gays and lesbians have some level of civil rights.

xoxoxoBruce 06-22-2010 12:53 AM
What, no conservative Jews, muslims, Atheists?

Redux 06-22-2010 05:00 AM
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Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce (Post 665281)
What, no conservative Jews, muslims, Atheists?
Of course there are.

What I said was that conservatism in the US is dominated by those whose guiding principles are the sanctity of life, the sanctity of marriage (and heterosexuality), and the sanctity of Jesus Christ.....ie, evangelicals and Christian conservatives.

Aliantha 06-22-2010 05:09 AM
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Originally Posted by Redux (Post 665129)
In the larger context of conservatism, that may be the case.

In the US, the conservative movement is dominated by those whose guiding principles are the sanctity of life, the sanctity of marriage, the sanctity of guns and the sanctity of Jesus Christ.

Any deviation from any of the above puts you at odds with the hard core American conservatives.
Religion is not on the same level over here as it is in the US, which is why the whole god argument isn't very effective (and rarely used) in anything to do with politics here.

That being said though, our current opposition leader is quite a long way to the right and is quite religious. Who knows what will happen next year if his party wins.


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