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And also because I'm ethereal and lovely and different. And I asked first.

Thanks Spexx! :)

I must admit, I hadn't considered the practical application of the horn with regards hobokilling.

Do you have a student loan ?
Do you or your children plan to go to graduate school ?

If so, watch the news on Thursday...

NY Times
6/29/12
Editorial
The Deal on Student Loans

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<snip>
The eventual compromise, brokered by Senator Harry Reid, the majority leader,
requires companies to pay higher premiums for federal pension insurance.
It would also loosen requirements on how much companies would have to contribute to pension funds,
which would mean companies would take fewer tax deductions on those contributions.
Republicans won a provision that would limit the loan subsidies to six years for students pursuing bachelor’s degrees.
<snip>
This deal only lasts a year, which will mean another showdown next summer.
As it is, college students are already the victims of two other Republican-imposed cuts from last year.
They must now start paying interest as soon as they graduate,
instead of six months later, despite the rugged job market.
And, starting Sunday, subsidized loans will not be available to graduate students.
<snip>

We may see Medical Schools offering the B.A. instead of M.D.'s :rolleyes:

Is it just me or has the "likeability" factor of both candidates completely tanked in the last month? Imma looking at a Bull Moose moment.

Now Griff, Mitt understands that people don't like him, but his wife, Ann, is very likable.
He sends her out to "explain" to us the some of the more difficult aspects the campaign.

On Thursday morning's ABC Good Morning America,
Ann Romney explained her and her husband's refusal to make their
tax returns public for any other years than 2010 and 2011, by saying:

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We've given all [that] you people need to know and understand
about our financial situation and about how we live our life,
and so the election will not be decided on that. It will be decided on who
will turn the economy around, and how will jobs come back to America.

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Originally Posted by Lamplighter (Post 821044)

And nothing endears someone to me quite like when they refer to us as "You people". lol

Wasn't referring to you - "You people" = the press.

Griff, yep pretty much. If the R's had as charismatic an option as Obama, I'm not sure this would even be close.
I still believe that O wins in a landslide unless something drastic happens between now and November.

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Originally Posted by Sheldonrs (Post 821045)

And nothing endears someone to me quite like when they refer to us as "You people". lol

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Originally Posted by classicman (Post 821054)

Wasn't referring to you - "You people" = the press.

I don't agree.

I heard her say it on GMA and it absolutely snagged my ear just the way Sheldon described it. She *may* have been intending the grammar of her sentence to refer to the reporter she was having a conversation with. But.... She then goes on to talk about that information being all that's needed to know and understand and how that will affect the election. Who the hell decides the election?? Not the reporters--the electorate. We/"you people", the voters.

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We've given all [that] you people need to know and understand about our financial situation and about how we live our life, and so the election will not be decided on that. It will be decided on who will turn the economy around, and how will jobs come back to America.

She made a gaffe only insofar as she candidly revealed her point of view about the voters. It's on par with Mitt's revelation about his position on corporate personhood. There's no overlap between his universe and my universe. And he keeps reinforcing that. And that ignorance alienates him from my political affections. Too bad for him.

Cause if you insist on reading it the other way, she's suggesting that the reporters decide the election. Just as insulting and twice as stupid. Do you really think that's it?

It's a while since I witnessed a politician so unable to muster anything approaching the 'common touch'. And that's from someone whose leading politicians attended Eton and Oxford and are directly descended from aristocratic royal servants and courtiers.

This seems appropriate:

From five years ago, when the tories were in opposition and David Cameron was courting the ordinary voter:

You people = Liberals, in this case. Because we've long stopped pretending to believe that reporters are objective in any way. It's my side vs. your side, and the reporter's questions will always make it clear which side he's on. She's only dismissing half the electorate, not all of it.

Doesn't that eliminate everyone in entire State of Texas ?

We left in 1963, and I think we were the last liberals in the state :rolleyes:

Nah, there's still Austin.

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Originally Posted by Lamplighter (Post 821140)

Doesn't that eliminate everyone in entire State of Texas ?

We left in 1963, and I think we were the last liberals in the state :rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by Clodfobble (Post 821166)

Nah, there's still Austin.

...huh... that's weird.