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TheMercenary 04-19-2011 06:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Happy Monkey (Post 724504)
It comes from government regulation on any hospital that receives Federal money. It is written off as a tax deduction by the hospitals, and the remaining cost is transferred to the richer patients. So, as I said to start with,

How many hospitals get that money? So they actually don't receive Tax Payer dollars, as I stated earlier. Right. Thanks for agreeing with my point.

Happy Monkey 04-19-2011 07:09 PM

Almost all hospitals get Federal money, and are thus subject to the requirement (see the link). Under the requirement, all of those hospitals can write off nonpaying ER patients on their taxes, which makes up some of the cost at taxpayer expense. The rest of the cost is transferred, by government mandate though not through the tax system, to the paying patients.

TheMercenary 04-19-2011 07:23 PM

They do not however receive Taxpayer dollars, as you stated.

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Originally Posted by Happy Monkey (Post 724397)
Emergency rooms take other people's money (in taxes and/or higher prices for richer people) to provide medical care to poor people..

I get write offs as well. I do not however receive taxpayer dollars. See how that works.

Dude you are a fool if you think that the cost is transferred, by government mandate to paying patients. Please cite... thanks.

Happy Monkey 04-19-2011 08:00 PM

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Originally Posted by TheMercenary (Post 724567)
They do not however receive Taxpayer dollars, as you stated.

Federal money is taxpayer dollars. If they don't receive taxpayer dollars, they don't have to follow the mandate. Most hospitals feel that the benefits of the taxpayer dollars they receive outweigh the burden of the mandate, so they do it.

What they don't get is direct funding for poor ER patients, for that they get the tax writeoff.
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I get write offs as well. I do not however receive taxpayer dollars. See how that works.
It works rhetorically, but effectively the only difference between a tax writeoff and a check for the equivalent amount from the government is bookkeeping. I would have thought that a flat tax proponent would be especially likely to understand that.
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Dude you are a fool if you think that the cost is transferred, by government mandate to paying patients. Please cite... thanks.
I'll cite you:
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Originally Posted by TheMercenary (Post 724457)
The rest suck it up, and charge the rest of us the balance.

They are mandated to pay these costs, and they charge the rest of us the balance.

TheMercenary 04-19-2011 08:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Happy Monkey (Post 724613)
Federal money is taxpayer dollars. If they don't receive taxpayer dollars, they don't have to follow the mandate. Most hospitals feel that the benefits of the taxpayer dollars they receive outweigh the burden of the mandate, so they do it.

Yea, very few hospitals do not accept medicare, unfortunately.

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What they don't get is direct funding for poor ER patients, for that they get the tax writeoff.It works rhetorically, but effectively the only difference between a tax writeoff and a check for the equivalent amount from the government is bookkeeping.
Well I will try to think about it like that when I write off my business expenses. I still do not receive taxpayer dollars because I write off my expense.

TheMercenary 04-19-2011 08:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Happy Monkey (Post 724613)
I'll cite you:They are mandated to pay these costs, and they charge the rest of us the balance.

But they are not mandated to charge us, as you stated....

TheMercenary 04-19-2011 08:19 PM

Well one thing is for sure! We will never have rationing!

The case for rationing healthcare
Americans will have to decide what we can and cannot afford.

http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/...,6247911.story

Happy Monkey 04-19-2011 09:36 PM

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Originally Posted by TheMercenary (Post 724617)
But they are not mandated to charge us, as you stated....

A distinction without a difference.

TheMercenary 04-19-2011 09:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Happy Monkey (Post 724707)
A distinction without a difference.

Bullshit. Taxpayers don't give me a break on my ability to deduct.

TheMercenary 04-20-2011 08:20 AM

On hospital mark ups... today's news.

http://www.ajc.com/business/huge-hos...en-917750.html

Happy Monkey 04-20-2011 10:31 AM

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Originally Posted by TheMercenary (Post 724708)
Bullshit. Taxpayers don't give me a break on my ability to deduct.

Once again, your response has no relation to the quoted text.

TheMercenary 04-20-2011 11:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Happy Monkey (Post 724878)
Once again, your response has no relation to the quoted text.

Analogy to your failed assumption that hospitals get paid in tax dollars vs deductions.

Happy Monkey 04-20-2011 11:52 AM

But completely irrelevant to the text you quoted.

TheMercenary 04-20-2011 11:54 AM

Not how I understood it. So be it. Not really important.

TheMercenary 04-25-2011 08:09 AM

Numbers behind the numbers and the boondoggle over the supposed recent deficit reduction agreement.

http://www.usnews.com/opinion/blogs/...on-budget-deal


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