Except with lions, it's the older males that lose the fight to the younger invading males. It has nothing to do with genetics and everything to do with age. The ironic bit is that the younger lions will be driven off before their cubs grow to maturity, and their cubs will be killed too. Lions only have a 20% chance of reaching maturity, and the number one killer is other lions.

One difference: We don't need meat to live. Does that make eating meat immoral?

If lions were "civilized" (and i use that term loosely) like humans, they could choose to eat soy beans to get their protein, etc. They don't "need" meat to live, but that's how they are designed. To go hunt down, kill their food, and consume it. We were designed to be able to get our nutrients from many different sources, plants and animals alike. So no, it is not immoral because that's the way life(nature) is.

That's the difference I am trying to get at. We can choose. The fact that we can choose is what defines morality. The lion has no moral choice to make; it just does what it does. The fact that lions do something does not mean it is the correct moral choice for a human to make. So again:

The claim that "we are designed that way" has no moral weight.

Ok, I'm tired of arguing about this, you win. HP: 1 Bullitt: 0

Guess this is what I get for coming out of semi-lurkerdom and having a discussion
:madhop: :flamer:

It's not whether you win or lose...

Bullitt, You could probably redeem yourself with the guys if you posted more pictures of young ladies in swimming attire, or something like that.

I was hoping I'd get to use this someday... http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v6...litt/image.gif

I think that I am probably very, very grateful that is a very, very small image.

I can't, I'm not the lion.

I'm only positing that there may be a mechanism in place that may insure that the most suitably adapted DNA is passed on. That mechanism may be part of a long causal chain that results in that coming to pass.

It's just unlikely that any mechanism in nature, other than man current trends, exist without some form of reason. Unlikely, but not impossible.

Eventually, yes. But isn't it possible that the older, smarter, stronger ones will last longer and pass on an extra litter or two of better adapted generations.

Everything has to do with genetics, even age. A better adapted progenitor will pass on the better RNA to more generations.

Is it irony or causality?

Then you won't want to watch this.

You're right. I wouldn't have wanted to watch that.

I imagine you meant to quote wolf, and not Bullitt.

Is that woman just freaky anorexic, or does she have an actual physical deformity? I can't tell.

She's actually a transgendered polio victim.