To be fair, there's been a few other people on the Cellar who've said that.

You give what you give because your arguments are all murder- and violence-friendly, Urb.

Thankfully, my morals just aren't what they could be - they could be anti-humanity, like yours.

At least I have a brain and twice your IQ.

Ignorance is bliss. :)

Here is Stephen King's take on Cho's writing.
Caution, there's a picture of a girl in a bikini on the top of the page.
http://www.wwtdd.com/post.phtml?pk=2193

Wrong. Everyone here but you knows that. Having no actual rebuttal, you resort to bitchery, thereby condemning yourself.

For instance: for a brain, you have a hoplophobic neurosis and no connection with the realities of armed self defense, as all our previous dispute has made clear. Never credit yourself with intelligence when you're busily refusing to use any.

Pro-self-defense is anti-humanity? You're over the edge.

I've decided to prevail shoud someone want to murder me. You aren't going to, and you're immoral enough to ask that I take your view of it. Hell no.

Your careful ignorance is lethal -- to you. My careful knowledge will aid me.

Not very effective resources, however. It's hard to really say, since a lot of college campuses don't report crimes to the local municipality, since they aren't involving the "townies", and don't make their internal crime statistic information available.

Things have probably changed, but on starting college, I went to a seminar in which the Campus police explained "how to say no to a rapist and survive," which primarily consisted of instructions on how to disable or kill your attacker. This was 1980 and the campus police were admitting they were powerless to stop crime on campus. (this was even a few years after they were allowed to carry their guns on the campus after 4pm. Yes, that was a real regulation. The place I went, the campus police were actually sworn police officers, not just security guards)

You must be wrong. I didn't read a word you said, but I'm sure you're wrong. Therefore, you're also a stupid cunt. That's the way it rolls around here.

Bye cunt fuck whore.

Ban me ban me, shove it up your ass and fan me.

:confused:

The "need" for money for crack or heroin or to establish primacy in a gang territory is not the same kind of "need" that Jean Valjean had when he stole the bread to feed his family.

Absolutely not. Avoiding situations that put you into danger is called "tactical thinking." Sometimes, despite our best efforts to avoid such, that dangerous situation presents itself. Cowardice would be complying with an attackers demands when you have the means at your disposal to deal with that situation.

It's carryover from another thread. She's not over her tantrum yet.

Wolf - I can't be certain but I think campuses do a lot more for student's safety in the past because I know for a fact there are more things you can do except learning how to disable someone with a gun or a knife. The number of crimes that could have been prevented with a gun is very low because of how college crime works. If you are trigger happy and paranoid the chances of shooting an innocent horny drunk teenager skyrockets since they will tend to violate people's privacy but not go far enough to actually hurt someone.

Yes, there is a difference but you can not assume that all the crime is from that.

I am sorry if I misjudged you but I see americans as crazy with the crime.

Correction.. I'm scared to death of the average Joe's ability to get a gun and use it.

Did they have this in mind when 230 years later armed gangs roamed the streets? Or when 1 in 5 women are raped? Did they expect crime in america to be so out of control by now that everybody needed guns?


I just left thank you :)


My dad moved here for greed only not because america is woohoo.
And you have friends from hong kong huh? What did they do? where did they work? Were they mid level?

Yes I was made fun of for my simple view before. But you complex guys who pretend to know what you are talking about don't really say anything do you? Your time is spent pointing out how simple or stupid somebody like me is.

As your second paragraph alludes to, its not the average Joe you should be afraid of. Average Joes aren't the ones committing most of the gun crime. And the armed gangs that you imagine are taking over America's streets at sunset are a fiction of Hollywood. Besides, gang members aren't legal gun owners now nor would they be even if the most draconian of gun control laws came to be.

And the founding fathers lived in a society substantially more violent and threatening than the one we live in now. Part of - a lot of- the reason America has prospered as it has is because the founding fathers were very distrustful of the government and gave it as little power as they could since government authority comes at the direct expense of individual freedom.

I mean who would you trust - the half-wit millionaire club running America today with its religious zealots, Marxists who don't even understand Marx, petty men fueled by greed, power brokers, men of limited intelligence, men who worship empty ideologies they don't understand or men such as Thomas Jefferson, Benjamin Franklin and James Monroe - the forward-thinking visionary architects of the most powerful nation in world history.

If the clowns in Washington today don't want to screw up the little country club they have built for themselves at the expense of those they supposedly govern then they are advised not to screw with the one we citizens were given by the men who made this whole thing possible.

Yes, America might have been more violent back then but it is still different.

Back then no one could shoot up 32 people in a row. They could get maybe one and then they would have to reload for 20 seconds before they could get another shot off.

Back then a citizen was just as good as a soldier then the soldier's were if not better. Now, I would like to see a group of people armed with handguns stop a swat team or a tank. The army is much more powerful and a rebellion would end in a slaughter instead of a fight. The only way to fight now is extreme guerilla tactics that deal more with explosives then guns. Rifles would be somewhat useful but even I will fight to not have them banned.

Ducky you want to hear something you don't want to hear?

You are too young to judge such an issue as banning guns in this country AND you don't know enough about the United States to tell us to ban guns and call us "rampant" with violence. The truth is, you are ignorant in your opinions on the USA and guns. That's the truth. We aren't judging Hong Kong, but you are judging the US with little substantial evidence only by "your simple terms". And you think "americans are crazy with crime?" That has to be the most retardeded thing I have ever heard in my life. Like literally, my IQ dropped 10 points by hearing someone actually say that. Seriously. You are one of the most ignorant people I have ever read posts by. A 16 year old who knows how we should run OUR country when she doesn't even know what our country is about.

Case closed.



NEXT!

Age has nothing to do with it. She has been throwing around some big assumptions but those assumptions aren't necessarily false, just distorted. You have never lived in the inner city so you have no idea what it is like in there. You are also not experienced enough to make a good judgment on the issue.

I am pretty sure that drop in IQ points is from the "chronic" you like so much and not from me slapping you in the face with the reality of your crime ridden nation.

Freshness, aren't you like 18 or something? Or at least early college years? You have to have at least have 10 years (better that it be 2x other person's age) before you can play the age card.

Because of her age, I would personally work towards approaching things from offering other evidence to refute the opinion that she's clinging to. Much like dealing with other adults, she may never change that opinion, but the opportunity here is to allow her to learn to think critically, a skill too few teenagers have.

Here we go, insults again. You don't know crap about the US, so I won't even consider anything you say valid.

And by the way, I've graduated high school, been in college. Ducky has no idea what collge is like. That is all self discipline, all making your own decisions. It's all on you. It really opens your eyes to the world. I am 19, still young but I know so much more than a 16 year old. I am independent, have been paying my way since I was 17 as a senior. I am not omniscient, but I AM more experienced than her. It is tiring to see her completely degrade the US as a crime ridden nation. Who else here thinks that? I think very very little think the way she thinks.

Apparently neither do you so I guess nothing you say is any more valid than what I say concerning america.

Watch it, bub. You know more than THAT 16-year-old. You probably do know more than me too, honestly, but I'm not appreciative of generalizations on intelligence/experience based on age, because theyre ALWAYS bullshit and ALWAYS have exceptions.

That would be a major statement of Bullshit in and of itself....

Yes, yes, merc, we get it, you are biased, bigoted, and discriminatory against everyone under the age of 20. We get it, now just shut UP already.

Ummmm no. I can't remember the last time I did something a teen told me to do... ok, like about 40 years ago when I was like 10 years old or something.... But it really has been a long time since some teeny bopper had a leg up.. I mean really kid, just move along.

Keep sticking your hand in the cage and expect to be bitten, I'm just saying... :rolleyes:

Because? Give me supporting evidence, other than I'm a killer civilian, like the rest of us Americans.

All Americans are cold blooded killers, didn't you hear?

Supporting evidence for what? I haven't yet seen you post anything to make me believe you know what you are talking about concerning crime in your country.

Honestly ducky, even if the cellar people here do agree with your gun ban on America you are biasing all of us in America to an exponential degree and that is what really pisses the shit out of me. You've lived here a coupla years, right? And you went back to the utopia of Hong Kong, that's great. But you still don't know what America is like, you still don't understand media in America, you still don't know WHY guns ARE NOT banned here and you still don't understand how to break down someone's arguement, likewise mine. You can give me the stats and all but it does not make America a killer country. The culture is different here than in Hong Kong. You want to know why I'm really pissed? Because you are NOT accepting of American culture, ONE BIT. You are telling us to completely throw away values of a developed culture for your simple and ignorant viewpoint on the world.

I am an immigrant just like you and I love this country. This country let my family emigrate here and prosper. But for you to totally condem people and society in this country is totally unfair, ignorant and downright wrong of you. That is a huge insult to me and the USA.

You can say whatever bullshit response you want to say but I am not listening. And I bet you 10 to 1 the other dwellars here are not listening to your rampant bullshit on crime ridden America anymore.

Hong Kong ain't no Utopia. Now I have not been there since 1987 but it really is no different from any other cities. Ok, I take that back, for an American it is very exotic. Nothing like the US.

Nice speech but it doesn't change the fact your country is full of violent crime and you have as yet to refute that. Instead you go off on rants about how you are insulted and how you being a 19 year old college boy somehow makes you know what you are talking about. Is that how they teach you to have a discussion at your university? I think you should ask for your tuition back if it is.

There is no such thing as a utopia but here I can travel all of the territory and not worry about ending up on a missing persons list or getting my head shot off by roving gangs of armed thugs.

Whatever, just insult me some more. And my refute is like 15 pages back you just won't listen to them at all. And I believe MANY other dwellars have refuted your ignorance as well. But whatever, as a fellow dwellar told me, your head is stuck way too far in the sand for any reasonable person to help you.

Just, please, stay in Hong Kong. And take an American cultures class too, babe.

And also, try to make a post that doesn't have to deal with armed gangs roaming the streets, grrrr scary. That shiet is old. Ok I'm seriously done talking to you about this, it's like talking to my grandma who can't speak English.

I'm sorry but saying things like "no it isn't" or "you're ignorant" isn't refuting anything.

Yet you are the one in denial. lol

No I will not because it's true.

HAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHA, DUCKY.

You are proving the point, that you truly are, a 16 year old, with a 16 year old's ability to argue and reason. You are seriously making a fool out of yourself on this forum. Please, just drop it, sometimes, like my dad says, you SHOULDN'T have the last word.

Yes I'm 16 so what is your excuse?

Mercy, you really should respect your betters.

HAAAAAaaaaaaaaa... What "betters"? :D

There are none, those that were are all dead.;)

You've just lost the eentsy-weentsy-teeny-weenie bit of credibility you had.

Well DAMM! I was really thinking this morning when I got up, "Gosh, that Spexxvet, who is the issuer of all crediblity on this thread or anywhere in my life, might be on today! I wonder if he will issue some credibility to me!"

That's important....

not.:flycatch:

Cite.

http://www.iir.com/nygc/summaries.cfm
http://safestate.org/index.cfm?navId=12
http://www.heraldtribune.com/apps/pb...70409006/0/APS
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIP...23/lkl.01.html
http://www-lhs.beth.k12.pa.us/libert...rent/life.html
http://www.safeyouth.org/scripts/teens/gangs.asp
http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/youth...gang_4-24.html

Yup I'm just ignorant when I say that america has gangs of armed thugs roaming about.

Ok duck, here's an equally crude citation.
http://www.uri.edu/artsci/wms/hughes/china.htm

Hong Kong prostitution trafficking! Damn, all you people from Hong Kong are prostitutes, hoes and sluts! Damn, they need to ban prostitution in Hong Kong! What a horrible place! And it is LEGAL!!! Oh, my god, how horrible!

http://www.hku.hk/ccpl/pub/occasiona...per3-part4.htm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prostitution_in_Hong_Kong

Oh my god! Hong Kong people are all sluts!

Most of that data appears to be 10 years old or more but I agree sex trafficing is a big problem in many asian nations except maybe japan. Mainland china is still largely poor so many girls from those areas end up as prostitutes all over the world. Hong Kong has a large population of rich men so yes many of those girls end up here.

See? Don't call me an American thug out to to roam the streets looking for criminal activity, and I won't call you a dirty Asian hobag! Fair enough?

Show me the post where I called YOU or anybody else on this site an american thug roaming the streets looking for criminal activity.

Way to bypass the whole point, just don't bring your slimy prostitutes stateswide, ok? Thanks.

You just accused me of calling you an american thug roaming the streets looking for criminal activity. I asked you to show me where I said that and you can't seem to find it. lol

As for the prostitutes I think america does well enough on it's own.
http://www.usdoj.gov/criminal/ceos/prostitution.html

And you aren't American bashing?
I think I'm going to ignore you, because you obviously don't have the mental capacity to look at the world and America from a panormaic view. This thread is about VT, not about how horrible America is. The only reason I brought up Hong Kong prostitution was to show the crudeness of your citations and how I can bring up an equally crude citation. But now you've full out blown all your credibilty by degrading America in more than one aspect. I am losing respect for your ability to argue and reason exponentially.

http://www.news.gov.hk/en/category/l...426en08004.htm Sounds like some criminal activity going on, but you feel safe there, don't you. Well I feel safe here. I just looked out the window and didn't see any roving bands of murderers.... never have.
I know where to find them, but I don't go there, just as there are places you wouldn't go in Hong Kong.

Gangs and their criminal activity are a problem here, especially where there are large concentrations of Latinos. The Latino gangs are a bigger danger than Black or White gangs, because they have a bigger concern for Macho Pride. The Black and White gangs have pride but not the same kind and aren't nearly as violent.

But that said, most Americans don't have much contact with these gangs and might not even suspect these people are gang members unless they know the dress codes. So your statements about gangs of killers roaming the streets are a gross distortion of the truth.

I think you spent too much time in the media and not enough time in the streets. Was it unsafe the walk the streets where you lived in the US? Day? Night? Gangs or single criminals?

So pointing out had bad violent crime in your nation is america bashing? Well too bad.

I find this funny considering your idea of arguing is throwing a childish tantrum every few posts. lol

Seriously take an anthropology course. You are not very accepting of culture at all. Sure, go ahead and call all Americans ethnocentric.

Just another reason why YOU are definitely an example of an ethnocentric person, and those people, I cannot stand. Diversity is the single most important thing to progressing worldwide relations and humanity itself. You are an obstacle, by not accepting anything American values or believes in, by not even giving it a CHANCE.

Please, reread your posts because as you can see no one is running to your aid because your arguement skills cannot do your point justice and it all runs on sole black and white opinion on the world (and how America sucks apparently). And your brilliance in being an ethnocentric naive girl who can't understand cultural differences and cannot be appreciative of things that are different from her. You are going to have a rude awakening one day. But that slap in the face will do your brain good.

You know what, whatever. Nothing I say means anything to you anymore.

By the way, ask anyone here. My posts completley own yours.

Of course there is crime in hong kong, there always has been and always will be but violent crime is rare compared to america. Just compare the statistics of any major american city to that of hong kong and you will see what I mean. Not to mention if crime isn't a problem in america then why do millions of americans feel the need to own a gun for protection?

I have always made the comparison between hong kong and america because those are the only two places I have lived and from my perspective your crime rate is insane.

EXACTLY! YOU ARE FUCKING NAIVE LITTLE GIRL WHO DOESN'T KNOW SHIT ABOUT THE REAL WORLD. I AM SICK AND TIRED OF YOUR IDEALISTIC VIEWS ON HOW THE WORLD SHOULD RUN BECAUSE YOU CAN'T CONSIDER ANYTHING ANY OTHER CULTURE OTHER THAN HONG KONG'S RIGHT AND ACCEPTABLE. GUESS WHAT, YOUR CULTURE ISN'T PERFECT, AMERICA'S ISN'T BUT YOU STILL NEED TO RESPECT BOTH.

GOD I HOPE YOU EITHER STAY IN HONG KONG AND NEVER MAKE YOUR PRESENCE KNOWN ANYWHERE IN THE WORLD OR YOU FINALLY REALIZE THERE IS MORE OUT THERE THAN WHAT YOUUUUUUUUUUUUU THINK.

Ok what does any of this rambling have to do with the rate of crime in your nation?
Also you are much better at throwing fits than I am so I guess you are right, your posts completely own mine.

Is this how 19 year old college boys act these days? And to think just yesterday you kept pulling out the "age card" lol

Oh and duck_duck, you have obviously found a way to live in peaceful co-existence with the Chinese mafia. They have lots of guns and they are not afraid to use them. But that doesn't make the papers over there. I'll let you take a guess as to why not.

We don't have the Chinese mafia in Virginia. If you ever find yourself on their bad side, you are welcome to come over here and enjoy our protection. I can introduce you to some people here that came here for that exact reason. People that people you know would have heard of.

Every major population area has a level of organized crime but I'm still safer here than over there.