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TheMercenary 02-11-2010 08:26 AM

PROMISES, PROMISES: Jobs bill won't add many jobs

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WASHINGTON – It's a bipartisan jobs bill that would hand President Barack Obama a badly needed political victory and placate Republicans with tax cuts at the same time. But it has a problem: It won't create many jobs.

Even the Obama administration acknowledges the legislation's centerpiece — a tax cut for businesses that hire unemployed workers — would work only on the margins.

As for the bill's effectiveness, tax experts and business leaders said companies are unlikely to hire workers just to receive a tax break. Before businesses start hiring, they need increased demand for their products, more work for their employees and more revenue to pay those workers.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100210/...s_what_jobs_11

piercehawkeye45 02-11-2010 09:36 AM

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Originally Posted by TheMercenary (Post 633996)
Hey Now Here is Job Creation For Ya! [/taxpayersdollarswasted]

Because NO ONE would have predicted this would happen in isolated instances!!!

Redux 02-11-2010 09:47 AM

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Originally Posted by TheMercenary (Post 633997)
PROMISES, PROMISES: Jobs bill won't add many jobs

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100210/...s_what_jobs_11

I agree. This bi-partisan compromise bill dilutes the potential positive impact of a real jobs bill and is far from the best solution.

So Merc, what do you stand for? I mean something other than a "good outrage and removing Nazis from Congress"

Just wondering if you have anything positive to contribute? ;)

TheMercenary 02-11-2010 09:50 AM

Can I get an I-Pod?

Redux 02-11-2010 10:44 AM

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Originally Posted by TheMercenary (Post 634013)
Can I get an I-Pod?

Made in China.

TheMercenary 02-11-2010 10:53 AM

Why of course, along with everything else in this nation.

Clodfobble 02-11-2010 10:33 PM

Can I play Devil's Advocate for a minute and suggest that actually, if a small bribe is what it takes to get parents involved with their kids' school, then it very well may be worth it? Parents are far more important than teachers when it comes to churning out educated and well-adjusted citizens, and no amount of school funding is going to be able to counteract a poor district full of bad parents. But bad parents also tend to be shallow and bribe-able, and if you can convince the parents that the schools are on their side, that could maybe change a lot of the underlying attitude.

xoxoxoBruce 02-12-2010 12:33 AM

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Damn straight.

classicman 02-12-2010 01:07 PM

School Board Rescinds iPod Giveaway Plan
 
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The Polk County School District on Thursday rescinded its plan to give away free iPod Nanos worth $150 each to parents of children with disabilities after being told by the state Department of Education that funds set aside for the plan cannot be used in that manner.

The district had set aside up to $350,000 of federal money to give iPods to parents of the district's 10,500 students with disabilities. To receive the iPod, parents would have to complete a 10-minute state survey online.

"The Florida Department of Education instructed district staff yesterday that the funds are to directly flow to students and not indirectly through parents," the district said in a news release. "The funds previously flagged to purchase the iPods will now be used to support classroom instruction and curriculum."
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Well so much for that idea.

TheMercenary 02-14-2010 01:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Clodfobble (Post 634160)
Can I play Devil's Advocate for a minute and suggest that actually, if a small bribe is what it takes to get parents involved with their kids' school, then it very well may be worth it? Parents are far more important than teachers when it comes to churning out educated and well-adjusted citizens, and no amount of school funding is going to be able to counteract a poor district full of bad parents. But bad parents also tend to be shallow and bribe-able, and if you can convince the parents that the schools are on their side, that could maybe change a lot of the underlying attitude.

It would only work to an extent and then they would be looking for the next handout to do what they have a responsiblity to do all along. It is the nature of creating a welfare state. It only breeds more dependency.

Clodfobble 02-14-2010 02:01 PM

Sure, it's not a magic fix. But from the school's perspective, they're only dealing with these students (and by extension, their parents) for twelve years. It's already too late to fix the parents, to be perfectly honest.* But there's still a chance that if you can finagle good behavior out of the parents for even a short time, it might coincide with that window of time when you still have a chance to help the kid.


*It's important to realize that in low-income areas, many of the kids in the special ed programs are there specifically because their parents used drugs/alcohol while pregnant, and/or emotionally abuse them. Certainly not all of the kids with disabilities fit this bill, but as a general rule, the worst of the worst parents are going to end up with kids in the program.

TheMercenary 02-14-2010 02:23 PM

I don't disagree with anything you have said. I just don't think free I-pods are the fix. It is a huge waste of taxpayer dollars. I would rather see them give the kids money for good grades.

TheMercenary 02-14-2010 02:28 PM

Feds push for tracking cell phones

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the Obama administration has argued that warrantless tracking is permitted because Americans enjoy no "reasonable expectation of privacy" in their--or at least their cell phones'--whereabouts. U.S. Department of Justice lawyers say that "a customer's Fourth Amendment rights are not violated when the phone company reveals to the government its own records" that show where a mobile device placed and received calls.
http://news.cnet.com/8301-13578_3-10451518-38.html

spudcon 02-14-2010 05:38 PM

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Originally Posted by TheMercenary (Post 634619)
Feds push for tracking cell phones



http://news.cnet.com/8301-13578_3-10451518-38.html

As long as they're not tracking calls to foreign terrorists, I guess it's OK.:greenface

TheMercenary 02-16-2010 08:19 AM

Yea, where is the liberal outcry? I thought this was a big deal.


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