I said nothing was absolute. They lived sustainably.It's not romanced fiction. Yes you are being picky:p

You crack me up.

Your post reminded me of one the most interesting experiences camping in the rain I had. I grew up camping so that wasn't the interesting part it was when a few years ago I went camping with blind kids. It rained the whole time and I had to show a blind girl how to take a pee in the rain soaked forest who never had to squat before. I eventually found felled trees which made kind of a seat.
Yes there is a lot to be said for modern amenities.

This is why I love men. Blunt and shooting from the hip.

The ecology course I took in college over 20 years ago put that myth to rest. The main reason they were not as bad to the environment as we are is that their numbers were smaller.

Thomas Morton, Description of the Indians in New England (1637)
So the Indians of New England burned up the land they were in such harmony with because it made it easier to travel and hunt. They burned off nuisance vegetation simply for convenience. All the small animals that lived in that underbrush were denied their habitat so that more light would get into the woods to support larger game and the hunting of that game. They had very small numbers and still had a HUGE impact on their environment.

Columbus just followed the smoke. :haha:

...and found pit bar-b-que?

Of course. They would have to have a pit to throw all the charred animals of the underbrush into

And that, folks, is the meaning of life. We all end up as crispy critters one way or the other.

all these seperations.
next time you hear or say the words, nigger, kike, spick, muslim, cracker, dago, christian, amercian, jew, limey, camel jockey, faggot, coon, crack head, cock sucker, dyke, porch monkey, terrorist, junkie, etc etc, just substitute the word with human.

What, you mean we're not one big happy family? I'm shocked.
Not like a dog, who can walk into any kennel in the world without trouble.
Or horse, that can join any herd in the world, peacefully.
Or Lion, that can join any pride in the world, and be welcomed.
Or bee, that can just stop in any hive, while on vacation.
Or fish, that can hitch a ride with any school going his way.:rolleyes:

i'm pointing out that i'm not the only pointing at humanity.
i'm saying that you point at the faggots, niggers, jews, muslims etc, you are also pointing at humanity.
i've seen no valid arguments from any of you as to defend humanity, to be honest, i didn't expect anyone to find any, as none really exist, other than maybe that we are at an infant state.
who knows what potential we actually have.
one could hope that we are very far from it.

I don't think any of us have been especially trying to defend humanity. Most people just get through life as best they can. Its anybody's guess if we can evolve further or go extinct first. Look at the trilobite. It was around far longer than man has dreamed of being and then one day - blink! It was gone. I'm not very sanguine about our chances. Not really.

Defend the human race for not being some comic book utopian image, somebody thinks it should be? Nope. :headshake
Won't defend it for not developing gills, either.

Whip, what's "the point" of any species on this planet? Why is any other being's existence more important or meaningful than ours? Why do you have to push the button so all of the cats and bacteria can live in peace and harmony? Who's to say another species won't evolve and do all of the effed up stuff to the planet that we've been doing?

I appreciate pondering the what ifs, but heck, you're stuck here for now brother, so you might as well enjoy the ride.

We are very clever apes with very clever brains, opposable thumbs and the ability to conceive of different levels of social identity (that last is pretty much what distinguished us from neanderthals and the most likely reason we thrived and they did not). If any other creature had evolved with our particular skill-set, there is no reason I can think to suggest as to why they would have done any less damage.

Species die out because of the damage we've done. They also die out for a whole host of other reasons. Catastrophic events cripple the survival chances of some, even as they enable another to gain a surer footing. The only difference between an Earth on which humans exist and an Earth on which we have died out, is that there could be no human witness to the latter. The Earth will take time and recover from our technological onslaught. And in the grand sweeping scale of the universe, the damage we did would feature as a blip. Another blip along with all the rest of the blips.

To suggest that we somehow deserve to die off, or that the earth would be better off if we did, is like saying the earth would have been better off without the ice of the ice age. We're here, we are what we are. We may change and find a way to live beyond the wildest dreams of anyone here. Or we may devastate the Earth in ways that make our survival as a species impossible. It only matters in the short term.

I get the sense of frustration when species die out because we've been tramping about the ecosystem in our size nine boots. I get the sense of futility when survival can be so ugly, and come at such a price. But these are temporary and human-centric concerns in and of themselves. You seem to be reaching for a big answer. But the further out you go the less relevant that answer is.

Came here to say this.

Humanity
 

This thread and section has stayed stagnant for so long I went and found a poem about humanity. I think this poet is great. He has such a grasp of the heaven beside us and hell within. (part song line from AIC.)




2 Centimeters of Brain





As much as it could stupendously perceive; it had the
power to brutally devastate,

As much as it could magnanimously harbor; it had the
power to corrupt the most sagacious of truth,

As much as it could devotionally dedicate; it had the
power to conceive the most unprecedentedly lecherous
existing on this planet,

As much as it could intriguingly fantasize; it had the
power to parasitically drain out every iota of
glorious memory,

As much as it could magically evolve; it had the power
to swipe traces of blissful civilization; in
lightening fractions of seconds,

As much as it could fantastically tantalize; it had
the power to disastrously famish the most invincible;
for centuries immemorial,

As much as it could unfathomably grasp; it had the
power to diabolically relinquish; within a single wink
of an eye,

As much as it could reside in perpetual realms of
solitude; it had the power to fulminate more
treacherously than infinite volcano’s trapped beneath
the earth,

As much as it could disseminate the fragrance of
philanthropic mankind; it had the power to
diabolically crush the immaculately impeccable in the
swirl of its menacing manipulation,

As much as it could majestically accomplish; it had
the power to rampantly deteriorate well beneath the
rudiments of its roots,

As much as it could formidably heal; it had the power
to gruesomely exacerbate the tiniest of wounds; beyond
the corridors of infinite infinity,

As much as it could blossom into an island of
enchanting paradise; it had the power to insidiously
melt; transcending over boundaries of the most
obsolete oblivion,

As much as it could divinely meditate; it had the
power to indefatigably swim in torrential sea deluged
with preposterously ominous sharks,

As much as it could overwhelmingly pacify; it had the
power to trigger malicious fireballs of
discrimination; in religions bonding as united on this
earth,

As much as it could bask in the grandiloquent
splendor; it had the power to recede immortally into
its grave; even though it was animatedly alive,

As much as it could aristocratically relax; it had the
power to tumultuously inundate benevolent goodness;
with insane mad,

As much as it could ravishingly romance; it had the
power to sow the seeds of despairing betrayal; in
every heart it met,

As much as it could unbelievably dream; it had the
power to drown in cloudbursts of cacophonic
manipulation,

As much as it could unsurpassably exist; it had the
power to vanish like pathetic devil; before even the
winds could transgress in azure sky,

And as much as I called it my mind; believe me it had
the ubiquitous power to be anybody’s 2 centimeters of
brain; entrenched well within the skull and shivering
inside….

by nikhil parekh.