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KinkyVixen 01-17-2007 01:47 PM

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Originally Posted by jinx (Post 308085)
I thought the root of the real problem was (often? usually?) a chemical imbalance. Isn't that what the pills are for?

That's what I thought too Jinx, and actually, that was my biggest fight. I know that I don't have a chemical imbalance, the decisions that I am making and acting on are causing me to feel the way that I do. Pills wont change that. Apparently, pills are supposed to do as RK says, and help me deal...most especially with my anxiety and the fact that I try and not deal with my feelings, I push them away.

Phil 01-17-2007 01:50 PM

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Originally Posted by rkzenrage (Post 308082)
If you are taking meds and not doing something to get to the root of the real problem you are wasting your money.

totally agree. when its not a clinical depression the meds are meant to lift the cloud so you can see whats getting to you, but in some cases, where there is a chemical imbalance in the brain, there are no issues to be addressed.

Trilby 01-17-2007 01:51 PM

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Originally Posted by rkzenrage (Post 308087)
Chem imbalance or not, if you are depressed or anxious it is about something... that needs to be discussed and dealt with.

Nope. I say nay.

Shawnee123 01-17-2007 01:55 PM

Some people's brains just naturally "reuptake" seratonin leaving slowly firing neurons. Does that always have to be based on bad life experiences?

I think the jury is still out on this one but I would be inclined to think some people just have a problem with seratonin reuptake.

rkzenrage 01-17-2007 02:00 PM

Sure guys... your emotions are just misfires and chemicals alone... and pills are magic that will make it all better... there is no need for personal reflection... ok.

Funny how that sounds like a lot of religion$ line.

Undertoad 01-17-2007 02:02 PM

You are wrong.

it happens get over it

rkzenrage 01-17-2007 02:03 PM

Hey... I'm agreeing with you...

Undertoad 01-17-2007 02:05 PM

You are not.

rkzenrage 01-17-2007 02:08 PM

Why not, anxiety and depression just being chemical sounds so practical?

Shawnee123 01-17-2007 02:10 PM

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Originally Posted by rkzenrage (Post 308118)
Sure guys... your emotions are just misfires and chemicals alone... and pills are magic that will make it all better... there is no need for personal reflection... ok.

Funny how that sounds like a lot of religion$ line.

Conversely, we are all fucked up by our mother or our priest or the guy on the corner and if we could just get to the center of what is gnawing at us we would magically feel better.

Funny how that sounds like a lot of Freud$ line.

rkzenrage 01-17-2007 02:12 PM

I never stated anything about dwelling on the past. I think that can be destructive and am not fond of Freudian.
However, learning coping tools is primary. Meds may be an important part of that.

Shawnee123 01-17-2007 02:18 PM

I see what you're saying. I'm just thinking it's possible some people will just always have that imbalance...pointing out that possibility. I mean, it IS possible, seeing how it is a physiological thing.

Undertoad 01-17-2007 02:20 PM

Up until a few decades ago, when we didn't know much, psychoanalysis was considered to be the only route to treat mental illness, and the very idea that medication could be used to treat something like Schizophrenia was considered strangely bizarre speculation.

Now the tables are turned, and the main reason is the amazing success stories that have come so far, and the more amazing ones due as researchers turn to the brain to figure out what really, actually makes us tick.

Not believing in psychiatric medication is a bias of believing the science of the past and not following how science has moved on. Talk therapy will be of great assistance to many people. Others -- such as myself -- have chronic conditions that no amount of other coping mechanism solves as well as about $40/month in medication. (And please tell me what kind of professional therapist you get at $40/month.)

You are wrong.

Shawnee123 01-17-2007 02:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Undertoad (Post 308144)
about $40/month in medication. (And please tell me what kind of professional therapist you get at $40/month.)

One that will stretch your "needed" therapy to 15 years rather than 10 years to make up for the lost income? ;)

Happy Monkey 01-17-2007 02:36 PM

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Originally Posted by rkzenrage (Post 308087)
Chem imbalance or not, if you are depressed or anxious it is about something...

No, a chemical imbalance can cause depression or anxiety irrespective of any life issues.

If you have something to be depressed or anxious about, and you are depressed or anxious, that's not a chemical imbalance, that's life.

Of course, if you have something to be depressed or anxious about, and you take drugs to eliminate the depression or anxiety, you could be causing a chemical imbalance in the other direction. If the root cause is psychological, drugs may be dangerous, but if the root cause is a malfunctioning gland, talk therapy may be useless.


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