The Cellar

The Cellar (http://cellar.org/index.php)
-   Image of the Day (http://cellar.org/forumdisplay.php?f=10)
-   -   10/4/2005: Schizophrenic's carving becomes art (http://cellar.org/showthread.php?t=9281)

Undertoad 10-04-2005 08:24 AM

10/4/2005: Schizophrenic's carving becomes art
 
http://cellar.org/2005/plancher.jpg

via We Make Money Not Art

Jeannot was a farmer in France in the 70s. He was schizophrenic, so much so that at one point he actually took potshots at his neighbors due to the voices in his head.

He lived with his mother, but his mother died - a natural death, we assume. Instead of burying her under the earth like one would normally do, he stuck her under the kitchen stairs. And then he moved next to the stairs and started carving up the floor.

'Religion has invented machines for commanding the brain of people and animals and with an invention for seeing our vision through the retina uses us to do ill (...) the church after using Hitler to kill the Jews wanted to invent a trial to take power (...) we Jean Paule are innocent we have neither killed nor destroyed nor hurt others it's religion that uses electronic machines to command the brain.'

After seven months he died of starvation, having apparently not et after his mom died. And now his carved rants are Paris' controversial new art exhibit.

Although art critics want the work to continue to be seen by a wide audience, Benoit Gallet, a spokesman for the company which owns Jeannot's Floorboards, said: "We intend to offer the work to the Hopital Sainte Anne, a psychiatric centre in Paris. We feel that placing the work in that environment will help fight against the stigmatisation of mental illness as people will want to go in and see it."

In my opinion: I think it's very important to understand why this carving was made, and what it says. But I don't think there's any room for interpretation. There's nothing astonishing about it, and definitely nothing profound. It's illness, plain and simple. Doesn't merit artistic exploration - it only merits scientific and medical exploration.

BigV 10-04-2005 09:45 AM

What makes it art?

I seriously doubt "art" was on the mind of the carver when it was made. Does the discovery or display make it so? If I were to sweep up the shards of glass or the gouge in the wall where it hit and broke and put it on display, would that be art? How could the physical evidence of mental illness be considered art? Or even the result of any other labor? I pruned some branches last weekend, is the brushpile art? The now squared off tree? What about some of the expository postings of mine you've all had the (mis)fortune to read? Art? I really doubt it, but then, what do I know about art?

wolf 10-04-2005 10:57 AM

That story is very unusual, even for crazy people.

Sad that nobody checked on him and fed him, though.

We get cases like that (without the floor carving ... just the not caring for self parts) every now and again.

smoothmoniker 10-04-2005 11:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BigV
What makes it art?

Welcome to the post-modern quandry. Does intentionality matter? Does context? Does perception?

http://www.retroklang.com/img/2005/20050114.jpg

Art?

http://www.dvcco.com/image%20gallery...euron%20-c.jpg

This?


http://arliquido.blogs.sapo.pt/arqui...sto%20blog.jpg

What about this?

http://cache.aftenposten.no/multimed...pg_323928h.jpg

Or this?

What makes the difference?

mrnoodle 10-04-2005 12:15 PM

On one hand, art is whatever the viewer perceives it to be.

On the other hand, artists get too much credit -- I think most reaction to modern art doesn't come from the heart. I think people know what they're "supposed" to think about something, and play off each other's reactions and comments to form a consensus of opinion -- but the end consensus is rarely what one's initial reaction to a piece would be (i.e., "hey, that's just three stripes on a canvas")

It's the same mentality that made trucker hats come into fashion. No one thinks they look good, but people think everyone else thinks they look good. You think this mentality disappears just because someone starts sipping chardonnay and attending exhibits? If anything, it gets worse.

Elspode 10-04-2005 01:22 PM

Whenever schizophrenic stuff comes up around our house (and it does more often than one might think), we end up stuck at the whole "what is the nature of reality" thing.

Just because an individual's perceptions and interpretations thereof differ from everyone else's around him, does it necessarily follow that what the individual is experiencing isn't real? Maybe we just can't see/hear/experience what they do, and it actually *is* going on somewhere/sometime/somewhen?

Quantum physics + brain chemisty= Confused Old Hippie.

Elspode 10-04-2005 01:23 PM

Oh...and, just for the record...Art is whatever I say it is. :lol:

dar512 10-04-2005 01:37 PM

"The only difference between me and a madman is that I am not mad"

Salvador Dali

dar512 10-04-2005 01:42 PM

Oh, and one more opinion - I don't think it's art. Not to say that we don't want to look at it. I think it's more like looking at the result of a car crash. We look while our mind ponders what happened to cause such a thing.

Silent 10-04-2005 01:52 PM

Art is all about presentation.

It has been proven that dog shit can be art if presented the right way.
I don't know much about art, but I know what I like

BigV 10-04-2005 01:54 PM

That's a link about dog sh*t, right? Hey, look at me NOT clicking on that, like goat s e and t u bgirl. Who says I have poor impulse control?

Elspode 10-04-2005 01:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dar512
We look while our mind ponders what happened to cause such a thing.

However, if *that* was the intent of the artist...voila! Art! :lol:

BigV 10-04-2005 01:58 PM

If you say so.

Silent 10-04-2005 02:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BigV
That's a link about dog sh*t, right? Hey, look at me NOT clicking on that, like goat s e and t u bgirl. Who says I have poor impulse control?


Yeah, but it's done tastefully.... :lol:

Promenea 10-04-2005 04:30 PM

Quote:

That's a link about dog sh*t, right? Hey, look at me NOT clicking on that, like goat s e and t u bgirl. Who says I have poor impulse control?
Actually it is pretty good but it is more a political statement than art imo


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 10:53 AM.

Powered by: vBulletin Version 3.8.1
Copyright ©2000 - 2025, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.