A girl's beloved dog, a grisly nightmare
 

You post the article but don't say anything about it.

So how does this story fit in with your idea that prosecuting hate crimes is bad? Where's the actual crime here, besides a couple petty crimes like littering and disposing of a dog's body improperly?

That is just a horrible story. I don't know why anyone would do anything so cruel. :sniff:

Whoever did this is the kind of criminal who needs to be taken out and have the shit kicked out of them, *then* given a fair trial and conviction.

Maybe Chevy was opposed to something the Bush administration supports - and got Plamed x 10.

Someone liked the Godfather too much...

This is horrible, that person has something seriously wrong with him/her. By reading the article and the way she looked in the picture I saw in my paper, she is probably not a popular girl in her school. Probably some douchebag asshole that will fail at life...

Sending the head would seem to be the work of a truly sick individual, no question about that.

I do have questions that nobody here can answer.

1-How did the dog die?
2-Did someone kill the dog just to ship the head?
3-Did it get hit by a car or some other accident, then somebody found it, knew who owned it and decided to be a dick?
4-Killed the dog for some other reason, like aggression, excess barking, crapping on their lawn, then decided to be a dick.

I could go on but #1 is primary. :confused:

:thepain:

I don't know how they would tell without the body. If it died to a blow to the head they may have found out already.

My questions include:

why paste the whole article? -a summary and a link would suffice
why no comment/opinion -yup it's sick -which bit do you want us to discuss?
what is the purpose of the post?
why is it in Nothingland?

I would have completely ignored the post if it wasn't from someone whose posts I make a point of reading and whose opinions I respect and often agree with. So I'm wondering if somehow you accidentally deleted what you wrote about it? Or if I'm missing something really really obvious other than that this is a sick and nasty thing? (It wouldn't be the first time)

Right now, though, it just seems to be a post revelling in the sickness of others.

Ah!....another question, where's the body? That would be incriminating, maybe they should be looking for fresh digging in the 'hood. ;)

Questions that maybe can be answered:
- Is Therapy Dog an official title or has it been invented for the article? I've never heard that term before.
- She let the dog out and he wandered off. Is this likely? Are dogs generally allowed to roam the streets in the US? Pure curiousity because here in the UK responsible owners don't let their dogs out into the street (as opposed to a garden or yard I mean).

It is a revolting and cruel thing for anyone to do. But I worry about the girl's reaction - she seems to be far too dependent on an animal. That seems far sadder than the death of a dog.

There are certifications for Therapy Dog (or pet) in the U.S. There are also specially trained animals that assist the disabled. Seeing Eye Dogs are the best known, but there are also Hearing Ear Dogs for the Deaf (notify owners of phone calls, doorbells, sirens and alarms and the like), as well as different types of assistive aniimals for the physically disabled, like the monkeys that do stuff for paraplegics. We have Pet Therapy at the nuthouse. The dogs are as therapeutic for the staff as for the patients. When they are in we make a point of going back to the Chart Room and getting our facelicking. Spanky is the one on the left.

http://scribe.fork.org/cellar/spanky.JPG

The animal in question in this story may or may not have been a trained pet therapy animal ... the article may be using that terminology to evoke an emotional response from the reader, when the dog was really just a good listener in the home of a loney child.

Bostie! Bean was a Certified Therapy Dog at Children's Hospital of Phila.

Pearl attempted but failed at the Certification process. Too uppity.

Actually, Bean and Pearl are two of the reasons that I took to Spanky so quickly. It's not that I'm anti-small dog, but I am strongly pro-large dog. Unlike Chihuahuas, Bostons don't know that they are small, so they rock.

It's true. Even the Boston bark is a hearty big-dog BOOF.

Now I feel it would be callous and unfeeling of me to make my pun on grisly and gristly and suggesting longer, moist cooking.

Bostons are my favorite dog, who can't smile when a Boston is around?

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Mmm...depends where y'go SG. I used to live near an estate in Salford that had packs of dogs roaming around. People just let their dog out in the morning and then it'd come back when it got hungry.

Even now, if I go around the ward I represent, there are often dogs just roaming about. Also, not everyone has a yard/garden, sometimes even a responsible owner will let their dog out for a whizz and just stand in the doorway watching him. Another factor to consider is the houdini dog *smiles*. I have a neighbour whose dog is incredibly good at escaping. She's put barricades up, she's tied him with string to the washing line....he just seems to have a magical ability to get free.

I don't doubt there are people that let their dogs roam the streets, but I wouldn't class it as responsible... I doubt any of the Salford inhabitants considered their dogs to be their only true friend either.

I've known some Houdini dogs of course :) Far more Houdini rabbits and two Houdini tortoises.....

I have no issue with people without gardens/ yards who keep an eye on their dogs. I wasn't trying to criticise the girl, it was just that something really didn't add up for me. On the one hand the dog is the most precious thing in her life, on the other hand it is left in a situation where it can just wander off.

We always let our dog wander around in our fenced-in back yard while we were at school, if the weather was good. If some malefactor wanted to dog-nap her, it was always a possibility. Doesn't strike me as irresponsible on the part of the pet owner. :2cents:

Fenced in gardens & yards - I'm all for it. Our dog was often left out in the summer with the shed open for water, shade/ shelter.

How would you show that this is a hate crime? "He hated dogs... the disabled?".
Lot of crimes here, including grandma' letting the dog out off leash.
I'll stop posting whole articles, some forums prefer it.

You posted the article for a reason, right? You apparently think the guy who did this was depraved in some way. Right? (I do too.)

But the seriousness of his actions are all in his intent. The intent was to fuck with the victim's mind. To scare her. All we know for sure is that he disposed of a dog improperly. And yet I think he is worse than a litter bug. I think he's almost on the level of Jeffrey Dahlmer. And it all lies in his intent. In his motives. Not in his actions.

Do you disagree?

Maybe the dog attacked someone and this is just getting back?

Man accused of beheading dog made video
http://www.startribune.com/467/story/1075213.html

So from the article, "Gomez, 24, was charged in Ramsey County District Court with one count of killing a companion animal and one count of animal cruelty done to threaten or terrorize another person."

He's being charged with intent to terrorize. Isn't that charge similar to your beef with hate crimes? Do you think he committed a crime against a human here, or just against a dog?

Nope, I have no problem with laws against terrorizing, stalking or harming individuals.
I do not agree with laws that show preferential treatment for groups of people.
The two concepts have nothing to do with each other.
He committed several crimes against both.
Grandma' let the dog out off-leash which lead to this, she too is culpable.

Crimes against animals is just as bad as crimes against humans. That dog was like a rock for that young woman...and killing that dog was like hurting that lonely young lady. Definitely a depraved act.