Is America Dying?
 

Their crime is out of control, they are being invaded and do nothing but argue. They are divided ideologically and are over extended with their military.
Are they a doomed nation?

We're all doomed duck.

You quack me up sometimes...really...you do.

No, we're not dying... we're killing. Want to volunteer, quacker?

And they acknowledge problems openly to the world. How many dead coalminers in China this year? We don't really know. Numbers may be as high as tens of thousands. Before one can solve a problem, first, one must acknowledge that problem. In doomed nations, denial is the first step to disintegration and doom. How many dead coalminers?

Well, China is not a doomed nation. Apparently some in the party want to publize little reported and massively high death rates in coal mines. Same for massive death rates due to air and water pollution. Which is higher? Death from crimes in America's streets? Or dead Chinese miners due to criminal action by coal mine management?

IOW China also is not a doomed nation if smarter Chinese will start exposing their problems so that problems can be solved. Then who is working for whom?

One sign of a doomed nation: workers work for top management. One sign of a successful nation: top management instead works for the workers.

Why does America currently have some serious problems? America's current top government leaders have a communist mentality. Cheney believes we all work for him and that he needs more power. Therefore America is in denial of some major and festering problems.

OK, quick poll, who's going to try to take down TW first, China or the U.S.?

The Chinese are getting smarter, they have found a stealthy way to start using the proceeds of a massive trade imbalance to invest in the U.S.. They have 1.2 trillion in foreign reserves, most of it probably U.S. dollars. At any point in time, they could acquire a controlling stake in Blackstone, but they really don't want to.

This is an absolutely fucking brilliant move. Not that we need to have a similar tactic, but I wonder if there is anyone left in our administration smart enough to have come up with something like this.

And wait, ducky, you said a couple moths ago, you're purpose ISN'T to bash America?

Yeah right.
Btw, Hong Kong sucks!
Jk.
But seriously.
Hong.
Kong.
Sucks.

They are following Japans model, Rich.

As compared to let's say Myamar? or how about Iraq? Ok, ok, how about Lebanon?


Please....

People watch too much TV, crime goes down every year. Our violent crime has gone down over 20% in the last fifteen years, our life expectancy goes up every year, we just get better and better... 24 hour news is to blame. People want to see doom and gloom, so they deliver.
We are in great shape and getting better, except for the idiots running the nation right now, but we'll get rid of them soon & get out of Iraq, something we should never have done to begin with.

Here, here, my good sir.

90% of that crime is in impoverished areas where, sadly, no one seems to care about anyways.

If you really look you will find every country is just like what you said.

She won't look. Don't even bother reasoning.

It seems any criticism of the united states means america bashing to you.

All of your examples are third world dumps. Is that all you can come up with to compare america to?

Who the fuck are you to call other people's home a dump? They are having trouble right now, so what. If it wasn't for United States your pathetic country would be getting fucked in the ass by mainland China so shut up.

Every first world nation has its crime but not on the level seen in the united states. I have looked, we have had this discussion before. Try comparing crime rates in any US city to hong kong, tokyo, singapore and see what I mean.
Also why is america so divided ideologically? Why does america allow itself to be invaded? Why in america can a child molester get off because the judge doesn't like the prison system?

Me starting this thread was a legitimate question. Is america dying?

Hey retard, hong kong is ruled by mainland china. haha

It has its crime but it is not falling apart because of it. You also can't learn shit from statistics and I have explained the situation for you. The average person in the United States is no more violent than anywhere else in the first world. It is just a small population that is violent.

This is one of the most ignorant things I've heard. It is extremely hard and expensive to stop so stop judging others on what you have no understanding of.

Because we have opinions.

This is a one in a million thing that will inevidately happen in a coutnry as big and free as ours. If it was happening all the time then, yes it would be a problem, but it isn't.

Ok, I made a mistake but I am not bashing other countries because I somehow falsely think I am superior. You are bashing the United States and by the statements you've made you obviously have no idea what it is like here.

The average american may not be more violent than anybody else but level of violence is higher than other first world nations. There is something wrong there. I know you americans are patriotic but stop denying reality.

There is nothing ignorant about that at all. You let millions of uneducated and unskilled workers flood your border despite the law. That is an invasion. You do nothing serious to stop it but argue about it instead. You even allow the invaders to protest in your streets waving their flag!
Your government is ineffective in this area. Perhaps due to corruption.



Your opinions have deadlocked you into uselessness.


The fact nothing was done about it and it was allowed to happen again says something about the american justice system.

It isn't about superiority. I make criticism about america because I lived there. I have seen it for myself. Americans assume any criticism is bashing and nothing more.

I have told you why there is more violence in America than in the first-world countries. Of course there is something wrong but you can't blame a whole country for the mistake of a few people.

If you can come up with a solution I would love to hear it.

How is that bad?

Every government is corrupt.

No, it is other reasons why we are not getting to a solution.

Once again you are taking an isolated incident and blaming it on the entire country.

Whether you know it or not your tone comes off like you are looking down upon the United States. That is superiority. Just because you lived here for two years or however long doesn't make you an expert on America.

I do not assume all criticism is bashing. I am one of the most heavy United States criticizers here but it is to change the way we live not look down upon it. The way you worded it makes it sound like bashing.

duck is right. America is dying. China rules. Except when tiny Japan humiliated them. :rolleyes:

Well yeah, but she lives in HK which is a world apart from China. She's not a real Chinese.

There is always an excuse.

Close your border to the invaders.

You accuse me of "america bashing" but allow invaders to bash you in the streets in protests?? Are you joking me??

Some more than others. Yours is not doing anything about it.


What other reasons?

Not true. It seems a growing trend in america that criminals be rehabilitated instead of removed like they should. Why else do you have so many repeat offenders?


I'm sorry for my tone but can you suggest how I can express criticisms of the united states without offending hypersensitive americans?

Then how should we fix it?

How are we going to pay for it? What if they come in through the sea or through Canada?

First, stop referring to Mexicans as invaders, the reasons they come to America is much deeper than "it is illegal". Second, they are protesting to try to change America. You are not trying to change America, just point out its problems. There is a big difference.

The majority wants to do something about it but we don't have the power to do that. Once again, you are saying something bad about us without and anything that we can do to change. Yeah, we have our problems but so does your country. If I ever criticize your country on its policies, it will be constructive.

The people don't have the power and the system is worked so politicians have to lie to become elected. That is not limited to America by the way.

Removed like they should? So you are implying that your method is the right method and ours is wrong? Rehabilitation is the way to go in my opinion, but that is wrong apparently. That all doesn't matter anyways because we are not going the direction you are talking about. How are you getting this information about our trends?

By suggesting how we can realistically change. If you can not come up with a suggestion on how we can change then don't say anything because it will be pointless. You also have to remember that what works in your country may not work in our country because of other variables. Teach us how to live a better life and save ourselves from destruction, c'mon.

Please tell us, duck_duck, how to fix our broken, shattered shell of a country! Teach us, duck_duck, we are lost without your guidance. Please save us from ourselves! Thank God duck_duck came along when she did to tell us what we must do! duck_duck for President!! W00T!!

Geezus effing Christ, Pierce grow a pair and quit grovelling to a Chinese teenage girl.

I'm thinking Pierce has a different agenda...

I think he liiiiikes her...he wants to kiiiiiiss her....

Eh, I overreacted, I was in a bad mood last night. Sorry.

It was her calling Iraq a "third-world dump" that set me off. I just hate it when someone acts like they are better than anyone else because of where they were born.

Please, I wouldn't take her from Fresh.

lol...that's good. we can't have you youngsters fighting amongst yourselves. ;)

Now why would we do that...

BIG TEN REPRESENT!

I think you guys are dead-on. I think Pierce has already saved duck_duck's pic as his wallpaper. What's the legal age in Hong Kong anyway? I bet she could talk Wolfy into a two-fer. Pierce might be one clever dude after all. :cool:

I guess you'd do that cause the old farts are always fighting amongst themselves. ;)

What does the second line mean? I don't get that.

If there is a threesome involved I'm sorry Fresh, you are getting kicked out of the boat.

I'm telling you, Pierce, she wants some American girth. A natural resource sorely lacking in her home country.

Are you suggesting that American men have bigger dicks than Chinese?

No, I'm asserting.

How do you know?

Two ways:

Listen to a Margaret Cho comedy routine sometime; and

Take the average height/weight of an American male and compare it to the average height/weight of a Chinese male and "do the math." Especially if you limit the Chinese males to those in the southern half of China where ducky is from. Northern Chinese guys are substantially larger than their southern couterparts - they have different ancestral origins.

Surely the same proportions can be applied for the women though right? (if what you say is true) Which means they're built to fit.

Elasticity, m'dear. There's considerably more growth allowance for the ladies.

ok well, you're not a chick Ibram, so I'll excuse you for not knowing that sometimes bigger definitely isn't better.

I was kidding anyway, geeeeez... way to rub it in...

Heated debate, reminiscent of me and duck in the other America sucks thread months ago.And this is basically the same too, a 19 year old Yankee vs. a 16 year old omniscent immigrant.
And the word invaded, that's the funniest thing someone could ever call the Latinos who come to the States, if they were invading they would be rampaging our cities, burning houses, obliterating state capitals. They are coming here to work and settle!

Ducky is just a 16 year old girl who proclaims herself as Re the sun god because after living in America she knows it inside out and wants to deface things abnormal from Hong Kong the Utopia, which is strange because many of my immigrant friends prefer America to their homeland, something about freedom and equality? Eh, nevermind. Let's just nod our heads and say "yeah, mmhmm" next time she talks about something she "knows".

And no I did not have a relationship, with Ms. Lewinsky, I mean ducky.

Also, America is not dying. It will, but it is not now. No civilization lasts forever (Egypt, Greece, Rome, Imperial Japan, the British Empire) so we are going to follow suit. But we definitely are not dying NOW. We just let one idiot take us 2 step backwards because he wants to gain acceptance from his daddy. How is that dying? That has to happen like 6 times in a row AND have our territory shrunk by half. The US is not dying and it's blasphemy to think so.

Bold text mine.

It's called FREEDOM, duck. Say it with me: Freeeeeedommmmm.
Immigration (or invasion as you call it) or not, we tend to let people wave whatever freaking flag they want. Would you rather our government suppress that? I wouldn't; that isn't FREEDOM.

Amen.

Allowing criminal illegal immigrants to wave their flag isn't freedom, it's stupid. STUUUUPIIID

[quote=piercehawkeye45;349441]Then how should we fix it? [quote]
Try punishing the criminals for a change.

You are the richest nation in the world and you want me to believe you can't afford to stop invaders?? hahaha Perhaps use the money that is wasted on them in social services to pay for it.

People who enter any nation without permission are invaders. And when you let invaders protest in your streets is stupid and lazy on the part of your government.

The majority wants to do something about it but you don't have the power? .

So I guess america is not a free democracy after all.

Holding hands with criminals does not work. Your crime rate proves that.

I have suggested realistic change but america seems to be to lazy to do anything about it's problems. You just talk and argue but do nothing with your troubles.

Oh no she di'int. :headshake

Back in the day, if someone thought a book was "wrong" it was banned, it was burned. We believe in freedom. We don't suppress a person's right to express ideas. You think it's stupid? No, you're stupid (in whiny voice I'm imagining you have). We have to still fight for this, against people like you who think they know what's best for everyone else. Clue: you don't know shit.

Listen, when you've made it halfway around the block, we'll talk about America. I've circled it a few times, and I don't remember seeing you.

No they are stealing your money and rubbing your faces in it.
What do you do about it? NOTHING. It's funny you get mad it me for pointing that out. hahaha

Sure sure. I doubt you even understand the words freedom and equality.

It seems america is dying because americans are too lazy to stop it from happening.

But not too lazy to type the extra "o". Idgit.:f207:

The fact you think invaders have a right to do anything in your nation is a problem right there.

But still toO lazy to do anything about your dying nation. haha

read it again, I think you missed the point
 

This, ladies and gentlemen, is the funniest thing ever posted in the Cellar, EVER. A sixteen year-old from HK has taken the time to ponder and then suggest "realistic changes" that all Americans should embrace for the good of the nation and yet---and yet---NO ONE LISTENS TO HER!

Tch. I'm shocked, really, I am. It almost seems as though America is mocking this bright genius who has all the answers. Well, cluck_cluck, you can't say you didn't try. If I were you, I'd just go home now.

Bye, honey buns!

I'm off for a pedicure!

I find it amusing that someone from the outside looking in has seemed to solved all of our problems. And then, well, since we don't all fall prostrate at her feet in appreciation, proceeds to think we're all stupid.

If she really thinks that her solutions are the right ones, perhaps she should come back, become a citizen, run for office, and implement her own ideas.

Purely novel concept that...putting your money where your mouth is. 16 or not, I doubt it would ever happen.

And personally, before anyone sits back and says that 'we don't do anything about what's going wrong in this country', she should really get to know a little bit more about the people she's preaching to. Quite a few of us are politically active and are doing what we can.

What the hell did you think the internet was for, stupid?

Good point, I say we send in the tanks and Machine gun them down in the square.:3_eyes:

Flint honey, sweetie, dearie...if there's any one who will find me prostrate at his feet, it's not you :)

But nice try *wink*