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Sundae Girl asked me to make a nice shiny new thread cuz it didnt fit in the human body explotation thread so here it is

i dont understand. i read a great article cloud posted somewhurr buried in cellar meta. it was about groups. read it, i couldnt find it in search. cloud's posts too in that particularl thread were brilliant too. she is new. i am new. we both see the same shit u guys are doin.

i dont understand why if lumperjim says somethin offensive or demeaning toward soemone all u other 3 4 5 year old dwellars choose to turn the other cheek and disregard it. this guy is an asshole. actually the things he posts borders on bullying but nooo since he is in the popular group its all good, right? but all i had to do was comment about him not being the shit as he so thinks he is then he goes after me. that in turn leads to the group effect, while errbody else is like "oh its ok to degrade the shit out of him cause one of our members does it". sundae girl got on me, now zippyt called me an asshead, fuckhead. i dont doubt others will follow in line

you people are 40, 50 years old. and y'all gonna resort to throwin rocks at someone who is new? din't u guys graduate high school decades ago? how can u guys not condemn when people like lumperjim personally attack a NUMBER of people on this board, but errbody else goes with the flow. he is ALWAYS bitchin about "i wish teh cellar was back to where it used to be, the newbies are ruining it, they too sensive, bitch bitch bitch put down put down put down"

anything that motherfucker says is golden and cant be touched, analyzed or critiqued?

im positive its like this for anybody in the treehouse club who flames an unsuspecting cellar user. lumperjim is just an prime example. i havent had experience with many other bullys on this site (brianna is showing her case) but it seems all the same. i bet u all feel cool collaborating and makin people leave the cellar cause their opinion and experiences are differnt from yers and so u let them know they are different and overall, not fittin to be here. if this shit keeps up then im out - im not into high school drama again. i can go back to watchin or worse for undertoad, not viewin this site again.

complainin about the cellar and its current state pssssh, why dont u all, in the popular group get it together so us "newbies" will like you and like to BE here, because a lot of us don't appreciate the "welcome" we've received.

arrrgh i cant read tht

The name for it is "clique". Either you're in it, and free to do certain things without recrimination, or you're not in it, and get beat up for doing those same things. It's a double standard.

i didn't expect this. i see many of you have read this. but you are all speechless.

jeboduuza - 1
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I feel your pain, Jeb. Just--if you are trying to make friends, counting coup probably won't help.

Thanks for this - the fact you've shown the respect to do this raises my opinion of you (not sarcasm). Human Body Exploitation Thread... An interesting way of putting it - I guess you're not going to be posting there soon, but hey that's your call.
I wouldn't call it shit, personally. Cloud and I had this out (after she asked for opinion on her threads) - I was defending a place I love and didn't want changing. I certainly read Cloud's link, and I'm sure many other posters did. This isn't the sort of place where people post anything that drifts into their heads (usually) so you wouldn't have seen 5, 10, 15, 20 posts saying, "Ooh I read that!" or "Interesting!" Reaction posts without a valid reason do not an interesting forum make. Unless it's a personal issue, in which case people will post sympathy or healing comments. I've posted them and I've received them - this is a community.
This is partly because when you've known someone 3, 4, 5 years you can tell when they're joking. And when they're sending a shot across the bows because the way you are behaving doesn't fit the general behaviour around here.
I don't think he's an arsehole. I'm not a follower, I base this entirely on my interaction with LJ and the interaction between LJ and other people I have come to respect on here. Like it or not, if you weigh into a respected poster here, they will fight back. There has been a rash of new posters here judging LJ on the opinion of other new posters. I don't think that's fair. There are some long term posters who don't get on with LJ - I respectfully disagree with them, but at least they have formed their opinion over time, not the first few posts. He's a funny guy. He doesn't give a shit. Grow a tougher skin re humour.
I got on you because you were cluttering up a thread meant for something else. I am very easy-going in general, but what I can't be doing with is people coming in and thinking they are owed something. It's like coming into my local and dancing on the pool table where people are trying to play. We're not saying "don't dance" for chrissake - just do it in the appropriate place, and don't act hurt when someone tries to move you on.
Again, this is where you benefit from reading and enjoying rather than posting willy nilly. We're not all 40, 50, 60. There's a Dwellar Age Thread somewhere - I'm not going to link to it - it would do you good to look for it.
You know all this about the Cellar but you don't know not to mess with the nekkid people thread? You know all this about the Cellar and you don't know we hate txtspk and bad spelling (Zippy excepted) and unnecessary abbreviations?
Sigh. Search posts by Aliantha. At the very least.
If you really feel like this, I do have to ask why you are here?
This isn't an exclusive clique and plenty of people have been welcomed in.
But membership brings no privileges.

If this place doesn't suit you, there is nothing keeping you here. And I don't mean that as a polite way of saying fuck off - I mean genuinely, think why you would want to be in a place that you perceive as hostile.

This is probably out of date now - it's taken a while to type, but I wanted to address all your points as there's nothing more annoying than penning a crie de couer and having people address one line of it.

All the above is my personal opinion and does not reflect the view of the Cellar, which is a diverse collection of people whether you have encountered that or not.

If you want to be treated like an equal, at least post so that we can understand you please.

We aren't speechless, but all that crazy talk has our Transitions bifocals all fogged up.:rolleyes:

SUNDAE GIRL KICKS ASS

There's a way to get instant respect here, and literally hundreds of users, of all ages, have done it.

Of course, it's the first entry in the FAQ.

And UT kicks the EXTRA point !!!!!

you're proving Jebo's point

Jeb...there's actually a thread in the relationships forum titled, "Is Lumberjim a Bully". You might like to have a look at that one. There's posts in there that answer pretty much all your questions about him and his 'intimates'.

It's always hard getting your head in the door at an established forum with long standing members.

The only thing I can suggest to you is to stand up for your convictions and say your piece. That's what I did and some members don't like me for it for whatever reason. Others seem to appreciate it. I doubt you'd ever be liked by everyone on any forum, and unless you believe in love at first sight, online, in cyberspace, it'll take time for you to establish yourself.

You're doing ok though. Just keep posting and let us all get to know you better.

FNC Lj LOOVES to stir the shit , its fun to him , and funny to watch some time !!!

What point exactly?

I responded reasonably and with respect. Does LJ only agree because we are part of the Get Along Gang?

If so, I'd really appreciate you taking the time to refute my points as I did for Jebo.

"The Cellar is like an electronic tavern. Behave as you might at a real-life tavern. Don't barge in and interrupt every table in the place. Walk in and sit down, wait for something you know about and politely put in your two cents.

Whether you care to stick around will probably depend on whether you're taken seriously. Your reputation here is not made by whether you're "in the clique" or how cool you are or etc. It's only based on how you behave and what you contribute. Be a thoughtful version of yourself. Make an effort to leave it a better place than when you arrived and we all win."

This is a very informative and well-thought out policy, one which I took careful note of before joining.

I only wish it were true . . .

Agreed, but not on the latter. He stirs mine all day, regardless of if I want him to or not. I thought I asked you to call me fresh :(

And How is it NOT TRUE ??????
If you go bradgeing into the corner bar and start acting like an asshat SOME body will call you on it , or kick you ass , or both .
BUT eather way you wont be verry welcome .

Amen.

well, I personally haven't found it to be too true.

The people here seem to like you better here if you ARE an asshat. Unfortunately asshat isn't my normal mode. There are other uncomplimentary phrases to describe me, but that isn't one of them. :)

FNC :stickpoke ;)

I guess, the point that the "clique" supports and sticks together, whether or not it is legit or not. Not saying you're refute wasn't legit, but you know. LJ said "YOU KICK ASS SUNDAE GIRL" but rearranged wording I believe.

P.S. I don't want to refute your points. I'm not good at drawing conclusive evidence, remembering my "show" with ducky? It got so that reason < emotion, which is why LJ can make me look like an ass.

flint, THIS is how you get everyone talking about you. come sit at the feet of the master. i accomplished this in my spare time while at work, too.

Jeboduuza -- I'm relatively new here myself, but here is one thing that I noticed very quickly: the most active posters (except for one or two) on this site generally have good spelling, proper grammar (including capitalization), and are good at expressing themselves. Using poor spelling or grammar in the Cellar is like moving to Sandford and painting graffiti on the church wall.

All the people that I've encountered here are respectful, but you have to earn it.

Edit: I just noticed that I said "All the people..." That might be a little optimistic.

cloud, i think you fit in just fine.

thank you. I sincerely appreciate that!

Have you considered

LJ is deliberately overstating to stir things up

I was a newbie once myself. The fact I get on with LJ despite joining well after him shows it's not an Old Dwellars Club.

You might have had people disagree with you, but you have posted intelligently, you have started your own threads instead of trashing established ones, you write proper English - can't you see that the issues I (and perhaps other people have) with J are not the same as people may have with you?

I respect you as a poster. I have issue with what you post on a regular basis - but then I had an issue with 9thEngineer's views - he's mostly absent now and I miss him. If I wanted to hear from people with the same background/ education/ political views as me I'd post on a British board based in my home town. But guess what, half the posts would be "Hey hav u sin X he is so dam fitt OMG u goin up Weavers this Sat?"

I'm here for intelligence, humour and above all a sense of community. If that means sometimes people get told, "We don't do it like that here" or "Post intelligently or fuck off" then I can live with that. It doesn't make this place a WASP Country Club.

You're an intelligent man. You're part of the community. I don't understand why you think this is a vendetta and not a community showing people the ropes.

Cloud I include you in that too (apart from the man comment)

Cloud, you've referred several times now to not feeling welcome or not feeling like you belong. I honestly don't know where this comes from, I think you're well-liked and appreciated around here. Shawnee123 did the same thing for a long time after she joined too, feeling like she was ignored when she really wasn't. It's possible you don't get along with a few members, but that's to be expected--if everything were sunshine and skittles all the time, it really would be a homogenous clique.

what part did you find untrue?

that's just some funny sh*t. Man, please, please don't get an infomercial, ok? I am already maxed on the credit card. Please.

this is really not about me, nor do I want to appear to be constantly whining (or to actually be constantly whining), so I decline to elaborate.

you guys are just a tough crowd! An intelligent, aggressive, thoughtful crowd which has high standards. I don't think that's a bad thing at all.

oh, and BTW, progressive lense bifocals with Transitions ROCK!

This remindes me of ancient Arabic saying (for which I can't find a reference):

Me against my brother;
Me and my brother against my father;
Me and my father against my uncle;
Me and my uncle against...

oh wait....don't praise me in this thread....you'll just be proving jiz-a-doobah's (parodies of peoples username is ALWAYS funny) point.

The reason that i can fuck with people and not get bashed, doozie jewbah, is that i know them. I know how to mess with them without really hurting them or costing them face. I would never attack someone for something that I knew was a real vulnerability. I come off as a blow hard, but it takes a certain amount of sensitivity to pull that off without getting ostracized by a group. Most people, by the same token are sensitive enough to get it when i'm sending them a message.

That's how we get along. Look at join dates of the active folks here. More have joined after I have than before. I get along fine with 95% of them. probably 65% of them like me, too.

But what about the LURKERS Lj ????

Honestly Cloud - I'll say to you what I say to Shawnee - who I adore - just relax. You are not disliked. I don't think you were ever disliked. If sometimes people don't appreciate a post, a comment, an issue - it's NOT personal.

Please tell me you see the difference between having an issue with someone like Merc calling Ibram a teen fag over and over again, or me having an issue with someone hijacking a NSFW thread with a complaint about LJ? I know you don't like it when threads you start are hijacked - our NSFW thread has been running a while now (in various incarnations).

We like you - as far as I can say "we" anyway. I don't have the password to the Treehouse Gang personally. They let me up if I have tuna sandwiches. But I'll give you a leg up when I get there, while still reserving the right to give you a Chinese Burn if I don't agree with what you're saying.

I think I need to go to bed. I haven't posted this much in a single thread in.... ever?

I'm boring even myself here.

SG, I'll take that leg up. D'ya think if we bring the GOOD beer . . . ?

Where do you think the Good beer is ????

In lumberjim's belly!

no good beer in there. i treat myself to a light beer once or twice a week. mostly its rum. i love rum, here it goes down, down to my belly. rum rum rum.

(grabs the beer back) More for meeeeeee! hah!

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don't need no stinkin' 'net friends! GOT BEER!

:drunk:

whoa. how do I get down off this here tree branch? It sure seems a long way

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Hmmm. Thanks Sundae Girl.

But as much as everyone gets along with LJ I doubt I will ever like him.

He says he wouldn't attack someone's vulnerability but he definitely repeatedly knocked me up and down about my girlfriend issues, which is the initial reason I joined this place. I found that to be the sole reason why I dislike him immensely. Then he apologizes for antagonizing me, then he keeps antagonizing me. Joke or not, his personality is something that I might never warm up to. All in all, he's a big dick, to me, personally. That's my 2 cents.

Cloud is right. This is a hard crowd and all of us "fucking newbies" as jinx called us in the NSFW dwellar thread are still having trouble transitioning to the well established.

Jeb and Fresh, I think both of you have a big misperception about people that are 20 or 30 years older than you. Adults usually act in the same way as most college kids do but just have better restraints and taste due to experience. Where I work, the youngest person I work with is twice my age so I have interacted with older adults consistantly for a month or so and this has really changed my view on that.

Another reason you two may feel picked on is because this board does have a tendency to discriminate on age a lot. Sometimes this is founded sometimes it can go overboard. The whining, yes you guys are whining, and talking like life is so unfair will not help your case.

Basically just ignore or accept him and don't take his jokes seriously or you will only get even more frustrated. Yes, LJ is an asshole but that is what makes him funny (if you consider him funny), its his style.

boy, kids today. they sure are into labeling people.

why i gotta be a dick? why i gotta be a' asshole? I am clearly a motherfucker. get some skillz before you come frontin' up in dis hizzouse.

Sure. Skirt my post on how I just proved the hypocrisy of your last post about you being a nice dude.

OK....i'll adress it later...right now i have to bleed a customer dry. brb!

The whining and the belly-aching just makes it worse for yourself. Toughen up. If you need to be liked by everyone this isn't the place for you (because xoB already filled that position...).

I think the Cellar is fairly unique in the way it *operates*.

On other forums, people feel the need to respond to every single post and every comment made. You get a lot of "me too" or "oh that sucks" comments....thats not so here and I wonder if thats why some people feel they dont fit it??

I have never found the cellar to be a tough crowd, and I'm in no way an intellectual contributor....I'm more fluffy (insert batting eyelashes smiley here<<<<can we find one of them please???)

I did check out the lay of the land before I jumped in though... I did land in a bit of a shit fight with the influx of AG'ers...but I made it through :D

It's an interesting article. The rest of it is here.

I was violently opposed when I came here, but I wasn't a pussy about it. I just kept bein' me.

There's nothing I hate worse than reading page after page after page of "oh The Cellar is mean" "No it's not" "This person hates me" "No she doesn't" "Well yeah actually I do". So in some sense I should have never opened this thread. But I'm glad I did, because it meant I got to read Sundae Girl's magisterial reply in #6.

I have to tell you, you won't get very far here unless you can write better than this. Nobody's going to hand your post back to you marked up in red ink over the occasional typo (well, almost nobody) (well, hardly ever) but if it hurts to read it, most people won't. If you take that as an insult, it's not intended as such--it's just how it is, and not just here. Hell, I've said the same thing in practically the same words to my own daughter.

May I ask why you want to be accepted by the "popular group" (quotes used because I don't believe there is such a thing)? I'm not trying to be a smartass, I'm serious. Why? What do you see that you're interested in "joining"? I'm not saying you shouldn't want to, or that you're not welcome. (I personally love fresh blood.) But I'm curious what the attraction is for you, since it's obviously something that agitates you.

I'm sorry, but you lose. You will not get anything more reasonable than Sundae Girl's reply. Are you really saying, "you're proving Jebo's point, but I won't explain how?" That kind of argument isn't going to get you far. (And I don't mean just here.)

Spare time? Bullshit. "Well, Mrs. McGillicuddy, your credit rating is a little bit on the low side, but let me see what I can do for you. It may take a while." Followed by 5 minutes to get a loan approved and packaged, and 40 minutes of Cellar posting.

Obviously the answer is to put the dick and the asshole together.

clapclapclapclap!

Goddamnit Jim, now you're giving Steve Dallas the clap... you're evil.

I see my name being posted, which of course interests me, but I'm too lazy to read the thread.

Group acceptance is such a powerful thing to some people that they just can't get past it. Do they like me? I couldn't stand it if they didn't! Do they want me around? I really really hope they do!

But to other people, this kind of need is non-existent; they just seem to present themselves, and if you don't like them, it's your problem.

Is it better to be in group A or group B?

This is like the "examined life" versus not conundrum.

GROUP W

How about jackass?

UT -- this sounds like a good topic for a poll.

pssst! this is how you fit in:
 

Group W for wannabes, who wanna be me but ain't so they cry theyselves to sleep.

I think it's important to understand that most people are on some level of 'newbie-ness' Most people are trying to just find footing. Some of us arn't even a year old yet. You might get some clues by reading join dates.ie( like hawkeye for one) It is what is. There are no secret rites to get in. You don't have to kiss anyones ass..promise.


...anyway.
I wanted to make a separate 'welcome' to the newbies but I didn't want it to seem like an attention seeking thread which isn't where I am comming from. SO I just want to tell all you new ones that you are noticed. I'd throw you a welcome party with cake and balloons if it make you feel better. I feel your frustration.