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HungLikeJesus 07-02-2007 04:31 PM

Shooting hummingbirds
 
I don't know much about hummingbirds, but we've had a feeder up for a few years. I've taken a few pictures of them in the past, like:

http://images25.fotki.com/v899/photo...DSC_138-vi.jpg

This weekend I decided to get a few more pictures, so I spent the evening hunting hummingbirds. I started out inside, shooting through the open screen door, with a 70mm lense:

http://images26.fotki.com/v891/photo...SC_5138-vi.jpg

Then I borrowed my wife's 300 mm lense and got this shot:

http://images25.fotki.com/v898/photo...SC_5288-vi.jpg

Then I started getting closer. I think that this is a male, based on the neck color:

http://images25.fotki.com/v897/photo...SC_5289-vi.jpg

This is shot at 1/100 of a second. You can get an idea of how fast these birds can move:

http://images26.fotki.com/v893/photo...SC_5290-vi.jpg

I decided to try the flash, which results in a better picture. I think that this one is a female. Notice the different color of the neck:

http://images26.fotki.com/v889/photo...SC_5291-vi.jpg

The flash startled this male. He and I both moved. I'm only including it because I like the lack of definition. It looks like an explosion of feathers:

http://images24.fotki.com/v862/photo...SC_5293-vi.jpg

These next few came out very clear, especially in the full-size originals (6MP). I was probably shooting at about three feet from the feeder.

http://images25.fotki.com/v899/photo...SC_5296-vi.jpg

http://images25.fotki.com/v901/photo...SC_5298-vi.jpg

http://images23.fotki.com/v877/photo...SC_5298-vi.jpg

http://images26.fotki.com/v885/photo...SC_5299-vi.jpg

This next one is interesting because it shows how fast the wing movement is. The shutter speed is 1/60 second with flash, but you can see that the wing makes at least one full flap in that time:

http://images26.fotki.com/v889/photo...SC_5301-vi.jpg

This one is without flash, 1/30 second, but is still fairly steady.

http://images26.fotki.com/v888/photo...SC_5312-vi.jpg

Another without flash and 1/30 second:

http://images25.fotki.com/v899/photo...SC_5313-vi.jpg

Here's the male sitting on a branch. It's not as dark as this picture makes it appear:

http://images25.fotki.com/v898/photo...SC_5317-vi.jpg

http://images26.fotki.com/v889/photo...SC_5317-vi.jpg

This one is my favorite of the night shots. It looks much better at full resolution compared to this:

http://images26.fotki.com/v889/photo...tnight2-vi.jpg

I look forward to pictures of hummingbirds that others might post.

P.S. I'm using a photo site called Fotki to host these images. This is the maximum resolution available for shared photos.
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jinx 07-02-2007 05:39 PM

Hey great job, and pretty feeder too.

busterb 07-02-2007 05:48 PM

Great shots.

HungLikeJesus 07-02-2007 05:51 PM

Thanks jinx. I like the way that feeder acts as a lense, inverting the trees and mountains across the canyon. Unfortunately, when the sun shines on it the water heats up and leaks out.

Here's a zoom of the last picture:

http://images25.fotki.com/v897/photo...ghtzoom-vi.jpg

theotherguy 07-02-2007 05:52 PM

great camera work HLJ

HungLikeJesus 07-02-2007 05:58 PM

It helps that I can get very close to them. I smear my body with honey and they can't smell me.

Only now I can't leave my house because of all the bears lying by the front door.

kerosene 07-02-2007 07:40 PM

And bees!

Great shots, HLJ. Thanks again, for sharing those.

breakingnews 07-02-2007 08:15 PM

hlj, fantastic shots - love the stops on some of those close-ups.

what camera/lens were you shooting with? [/gearhead]

HungLikeJesus 07-02-2007 08:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by breakingnews (Post 360812)
hlj, fantastic shots - love the stops on some of those close-ups.

what camera/lens were you shooting with? [/gearhead]

breakingnews -- thanks. These were taken with a Nikon D70 (digital). One or two were taken with the stock kit lense (18-70mm); the rest were taken with an aftermarket lense that I bought for my wife last year, but I can't think of the manufacturer right now. It's a ??-300 mm zoom. I'll try to remember to write it down tonight.

If you want Exif metadata for any of the shots, let me know.

rkzenrage 07-02-2007 10:59 PM

Just awesome!

breakingnews 07-03-2007 12:19 AM

do you do much post processing? a little photoshop work and you could turn some of those shots into seriously crisp photographs. my fave is: DSC_5296-vi.jpg

i'd like to get a 300 or 500mm lens ... but i have absolutely no use for it. someday....

HungLikeJesus 07-03-2007 10:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by breakingnews (Post 360862)
do you do much post processing? a little photoshop work and you could turn some of those shots into seriously crisp photographs. my fave is: DSC_5296-vi.jpg

i'd like to get a 300 or 500mm lens ... but i have absolutely no use for it. someday....

The only processing I did was a little cleanup on the last shot (Nightfeeding). There was some black dirt on the red nipple and I removed that. Otherwise they are just straight from the camera and compressed by the photo host (Fotki).

I looked at the lens this morning, but I didn't write down the model. I think it was a Tamron 28-300 XR Di, which is reviewed here. I bought it for my wife to use with her Nikon film camera and it wasn't very expensive. It seems to work just as well for digital and film, though I haven't taken too many shots at the wide end, where there might be some barrel distortion.

theotherguy 07-03-2007 11:40 AM

I hate it when there is dirt on the red nipple.

Flint 07-03-2007 12:26 PM

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Your feeder looks like a planet. A tasty little planet...

HungLikeJesus 07-03-2007 12:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by thenewguy (Post 360925)
I hate it when there is dirt on the red nipple.

I guess that's why Playboy uses so much air brush.


Quote:

Originally Posted by Flint (Post 360938)
Your feeder looks like a planet. A tasty little planet...

It's crunchy on the outside, with a sweet liquid center!

Did you draw the GalactUT, or cut-and-paste? That's some fine art.

Flint 07-03-2007 12:50 PM

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Thanks, but no, I didn't draw the Galactus image. I got it from a Google image search;
...he had a reddish background so I had to blend him into the background I built for your feeder planet.

I guess this is the pre-introduction of a character called Cellar Surfer. GalactUT is the only other character I have worked out, so far.

Edit: [/Threadjack] Sorry... very nice pics! Hummingbirds are nice to have around.

Edit:

glatt 07-03-2007 01:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Flint (Post 360944)
I guess this is the pre-introduction of a character called Cellar Surfer.

You don't mean this dude, do you?

HungLikeJesus 07-03-2007 02:18 PM

Wikipedia says that hummingbirds are only found in the Americas. I hadn't realized that before.

jester 07-03-2007 02:35 PM

those are amazing pictures. i can hardly believe you got one sitting still.

xoxoxoBruce 07-03-2007 11:28 PM

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They're territorial, too.

zippyt 07-03-2007 11:44 PM

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Got a few HBird pics

Yznhymr 07-04-2007 12:09 AM

The largest hummingbird I ever saw was in Moji-Guacu Brazil. Beautiful creatures. I put up a feeder this year for the first time at this house. A few birds are coming, but alas, no pics to-date. I will endevour to get some to share.

Thanks for sharing your pics.

HungLikeJesus 07-04-2007 11:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by breakingnews (Post 360862)
do you do much post processing? a little photoshop work and you could turn some of those shots into seriously crisp photographs. my fave is: DSC_5296-vi.jpg

i'd like to get a 300 or 500mm lens ... but i have absolutely no use for it. someday....

What processing would you recommend? I don't have Photoshop, but I do have GIMP, which is about the same. I'll play with some of the pictures tonight, if we get rain.

rkzenrage 07-04-2007 04:37 PM

We only get ruby throateds here in FL, but I love them. I'll try and get some pics when I get home.

Elspode 07-05-2007 12:04 AM

When I first saw this thread title, I thought, "Sick bastard...and they must be really hard to hit, too. Probably using a shotgun."

HungLikeJesus 07-05-2007 09:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Elspode (Post 361373)
When I first saw this thread title, I thought, "Sick bastard...and they must be really hard to hit, too. Probably using a shotgun."

I think I could pick one off with an air rifle, and not even break the feeder.

DucksNuts 07-05-2007 06:34 PM

But you wouldnt, would you? :eyebrow:

xoxoxoBruce 07-05-2007 09:15 PM

Hawaiian Kings had great capes made from those tiny iridescent feathers.

HungLikeJesus 07-06-2007 09:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DucksNuts (Post 361547)
But you wouldnt, would you? :eyebrow:

Of course I wouldn't. I spent Tuesday night trying to get two of them accustomed to me. Here are a few more pictures.

(1) If you look closely, you can see that his beak is open and his tongue is sticking out:

http://images25.fotki.com/v904/photo...SC_5324-vi.jpg

(2) Female drinking...
http://images25.fotki.com/v896/photo...SC_5326-vi.jpg

(3)Male blinking...
http://images25.fotki.com/v896/photo...SC_5330-vi.jpg

(4) Here's the male taking a break. He looks a lot different when he's sitting.

http://images25.fotki.com/v908/photo...SC_5332-vi.jpg

(5) These pictures are starting to look the same, so just two more.

http://images26.fotki.com/v885/photo...SC_5333-vi.jpg

(6) I'm trying to train them to perch on my hand. It's difficult to hold the camera and focus and take the picture with only one hand. This picture give you an idea how small the hummingbirds are.

http://images26.fotki.com/v909/photo...SC_5335-vi.jpg

HungLikeJesus 07-06-2007 09:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce (Post 361606)
Hawaiian Kings had great capes made from those tiny iridescent feathers.

That explains why there are no hummingbirds in Hawaii.

LabRat 07-06-2007 11:29 AM

HLJ, I am so glad you decided to stick around. These pictures are spectacular. You don't mention what shutter speed you are using to get crisper wings on the birds. SO cool. Thanks!!


That last one looks like it belongs in a clone thread for NSFW.... :lol:

HungLikeJesus 07-06-2007 12:27 PM

Laborah -- that's the second nicest thing you've ever said to me. Thanks.

Regarding the clone thread, I see exactly what you mean. That sounds like a photoshop job for Flint or LJ. (I can just imagine myself trying to stand outside on the stepladder trying to get the picture that you might have in mind.)

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The camera automatically synchronizes to 1/60 second when using flash. Here's the Exif information for the finger picture:

EXIF Image Details


Make: Nikon Corporation
Model: Nikon D70
Width: 3008 pixels
Height: 2000 pixels
Focal Length: 60.0mm
F-Number: F/13
Exposure Time: 0.0166 sec. 1/60
Metering Mode: Multi-segment
Flash Mode: Auto, Fired, Return detected
Date: 2007-07-03 19:34:37

I was experimenting with different F stops to see what effect that has. I believe that a wider aperture results in less depth of field. This last set was taken with aperture settings of F/11 or F/13. The pictures in the first post were mostly taken with the aperture set at F/6.3, which is the largest aperture for that lens at full zoom. (If I've got that backward, I hope someone will correct me.)

beauregaardhooligan 07-06-2007 01:51 PM

Those are some outstanding shots there, HLJ!
I love hummers and try to attract them every year.
I thought the late freeze got them this year, but I've been seeing some
lately so they made it.
They are the 1st to go when fall comes, so enjoy them now!
I'd like to recommend feeders with perches for the little buzzers if I may. It gives them a resting place so they don't burn so much energy.
Did you know some of them fly entirely across the Gulf of Mexico non-stop when they migrate?

HungLikeJesus 07-06-2007 04:57 PM

Thanks beauregaard,

We had a nice feeder with 3 little bottles, like perfume bottles, and it had little perches. Unfortunately, it was suspended by fishing line which broke one day, resulting in one of the bottles breaking. I'm trying to find another like that.

xoxoxoBruce 07-06-2007 05:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HLJ (Post 361699)
That explains why there are no hummingbirds in Hawaii.

No not Hummingbirds, Iiwi, Apapane and Anianiau... tiny little honey creepers. Thousands and thousands to make one cape.

HungLikeJesus 07-11-2007 06:39 PM

I stored all of these pictures in Fotki. They just sent me a note saying that my "trial membership" was expired, but they didn't tell me when I signed up that it was a trial membership. They switched me over to a free membership, but the links that I used are no longer valid.

Now, after all that work - uploading the pictures to Fotki, linking them to posts and adding comments - they are all gone.

Sorry. A Quality Images thread without the images isn't very interesting. I don't know if I can put the pictures somewhere else (like PhotoBucket) and fix the links because the edit window has closed.

beauregaardhooligan 08-30-2007 12:41 PM

The Hummer Wars are on!
 
Hummingbirds are trying to fatten up and head south, and they are being *very* defensive of their feeders.
I've had a feeder in the back yard all summer that has attracted at least a couple, male and female. I suspect they mated, but they still try to run each other off.
I hung another in the corner of the house, out of sight from the 1st one, and the female found it within a couple of hours! There is also a juvenile (I think) that the female seems to tolerate a little more, but it still gets run off after a bit. They'll perch on a twig in a tree and keep an eye on the feeder. When another hummer approaches it gets dive-bombed. Their flight is very similar to a bumblebee's.
They are going through the sugar-water (1 part sugar to 4 parts water) in a flash!
btw, in this hot weather, avoid the temptation to put out a big feeder full because it can sour and go bad quickly. It's better to use a small feeder and re-fill every other day.
Feeders with perches are better so they can rest while feeding.
Also feeders with yellow are more attractive to insects, so avoid those.

HungLikeJesus 08-30-2007 12:51 PM

We bought two new feeders a few weeks ago. They both have perches, as you suggested earlier.

We will take them down soon, so the HBs start heading south and aren't tempted to stay around too long.

Shawnee123 08-30-2007 12:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LabRat (Post 361722)
shutter speed you are using to get crisper wings on the birds.

I thought we only ate IotDs? Now, who was looking for hotwing recipes? ;)

beauregaardhooligan 08-30-2007 01:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HungLikeJesus (Post 380254)
We will take them down soon, so the HBs start heading south and aren't tempted to stay around too long.

From what I've read, that is a fallacy.
The urge to head south is much stronger than the urge to feed. Some have been known to stay for the winter, but it may be because they are at the end of their life span or too sick to head south.
Some don't naturally head south till November, usually juveniles, so leave them up.
There is lots of good info at
<hummingbirds.net>

btw, what are aspirsions?
and how far can they be cast?

beauregaardhooligan 09-17-2007 04:30 PM

Well, they're mostly gone.
I've only seen a couple in the last few days.
Just 2 weeks ago there were at least 1/2 a dozen dive-bombing and zipping by so close we'd duck while sitting on the porch to watch!
BTW, now is a good time to buy feeders for next year.
I went by KMart and all their bird feeders and seed were on sale at 20% off!

HungLikeJesus 09-17-2007 04:46 PM

Thanks. We just bought two new feeders at the end of July. We haven't seen any hummingbirds in the last few weeks.

Bullitt 09-17-2007 05:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HungLikeJesus (Post 361725)
I was experimenting with different F stops to see what effect that has. I believe that a wider aperture results in less depth of field. This last set was taken with aperture settings of F/11 or F/13. The pictures in the first post were mostly taken with the aperture set at F/6.3, which is the largest aperture for that lens at full zoom. (If I've got that backward, I hope someone will correct me.)

You are correct. The smaller#/wider/"larger" aperture will give you the shallowest depth of field making only a select portion of the image in focus. Whereas the larger#/narrower/"smaller" aperture will give yo a larger depth of field making more of the image in focus. The "sweet spot" for each lens to get the sharpest image is different, but usually is around the f/8-11 range. Not to say that your images of larger or smaller aperture will be soft, just that most lenses are sharpest around that range. Using a shallower depth of field and good composure will better isolate your close subjects and bring more of the viewer's attention to the part of the image that you want.

I have learned a ton of information from Nikonians.org and NikonCafe.com (forum member at both places: BullittMan), so I humbly invite you to join in and get ready for more photography info than you will ever have time to read.

Photobucket is a very easy image hosting site to use btw, free and very easy to use. It's what I use to post images to various forums, and keep the Smugmug for my "personal portfolio" if you will.

HungLikeJesus 09-17-2007 05:39 PM

Bullitt - thanks. I'll have to save those sites for later - but maybe you can clear up the distinction between depth of field and depth of focus.

Bullitt 09-17-2007 05:51 PM

They're basically one in the same.
A very good but probably overly long explanation is available here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Depth_of_field
Ignore the formula section, that's going a bit too far into the subject IMO.

HungLikeJesus 09-17-2007 06:08 PM

Very good. I thought one was the distance from the film plain to the actual point of focus.

HungLikeJesus 07-18-2008 09:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HungLikeJesus (Post 362984)
I stored all of these pictures in Fotki. They just sent me a note saying that my "trial membership" was expired, but they didn't tell me when I signed up that it was a trial membership. They switched me over to a free membership, but the links that I used are no longer valid.

Now, after all that work - uploading the pictures to Fotki, linking them to posts and adding comments - they are all gone.

Sorry. A Quality Images thread without the images isn't very interesting. I don't know if I can put the pictures somewhere else (like PhotoBucket) and fix the links because the edit window has closed.

I just opened this thread and all the pictures have returned (they had all disappeared about a year ago). I don't know what's going on.

We haven't put up our feeders yet this year. The hummingbirds fly to where the feeders were, then fly to the window, as if to say, "Hey, get busily!"

beauregaardhooligan 07-18-2008 12:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HungLikeJesus (Post 469970)
We haven't put up our feeders yet this year. The hummingbirds fly to where the feeders were, then fly to the window, as if to say, "Hey, get busily!"

That's *exactly* what they're saying! It is common behavior for hummers to go look in the exact same spot where the feeder use to be. I had one hanging outside my window and when I'd take it down to clean and re-fill, sometimes they'd hit the window to let me know they were waiting!
Remember, don't use colored nectar, just pure cane sugar in a 1 to 4 ratio with water. Boil the water 1st, then mix in the sugar, and let cool.
The sugar water can go bad fast in hot weather, so don't waste it by filling up a large feeder. Small feeders re-filled frequently assures fresh go-juice for them.
ByTheWay, MalWart had some really well made, easy to clean feeders in combo pack that were Made In America!
Check and see if they still have some, they make a great gift.

HungLikeJesus 07-18-2008 12:20 PM

How is it, do you think, that these tiny birds, with their tiny bird brains, can fly all the way to Mexico, spend the winter drinking strawberry margaritas, fly all the way back to Colorado, and find the same spot where they spent last summer?

I can't remember where I parked my car this morning, and I haven't even left the house yet.

P.S. I should have credited lumberjim for the "get busily" comment.

Gravdigr 06-01-2010 05:20 AM

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A few old hummingbird shots...

Gravdigr 09-20-2011 03:17 PM

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Momdigr actually punched the button on this hummer.

HungLikeJesus 09-20-2011 03:45 PM

What's that plant just behind him?

SteveB2580 09-20-2011 03:48 PM

Brilliant camera work HLJ one of few peoples work that is good

classicman 09-21-2011 12:03 AM

Japanese Maple

Gravdigr 09-21-2011 04:14 PM

;)


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